Need sump advice for new tank

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I've been spending all of my free time the past few weeks researching reef tanks, lighting, and sumps, and I'm still a little confused. I'm doing a setup for my mom (God bless her for letting me practice with her money!) and I really want to make sure its done right the first time. Any advice you guys have time to give would be appreciated.

What we have:
She bought the Oceanic Illuminata 57G rimless RR tank setup from AC a few weeks ago. That included (among other things) a Oceanic Model 1 Reef Ready Sump. I'll have to describe it because I don't have a picture right now: it's a 20G high (24"x13"x17" I think). It features a box with a tray on top for filter pads and a large chamber for holding bioballs, with plenty of large slots in the bottom and sides for water to flow through. This contraption takes up about half of the main sump chamber (and there are only two chambers). The 2nd chamber is about 6" wide, and is separated by a black plastic baffle-type thing that's 2" wide and 7" tall with a sponge at the bottom. So I'm figuring the design is water would flow from the drain through the wet/dry and a skimmer in the same chamber, over the baffle, through the sponge, and back up through the return.

My problem:
Of course, this doesn't look good to me. I don't like the bioballs concept, and I want to put in a refugium w/DSB, live rock, and cheato for nitrate export and cultivating natural food that can't be bought for animals like sponges. So what I'm thinking of doing is this: Getting some glass cut to split the first chamber in two. The divider would be about 10-12" tall, with a 3" x 2" notch cut out of the top for water to overflow (I have one of those nanocube surface skimmer pieces laying around, I figured I could permanently affix that over this.) The new second chamber will be home to her Vertex IN-100 skimmer. The 3rd chamber will hold the return pump, a Tunze Silence 1073.020 recirculating pump.

The drain is 1", the return is 3/4". Was given flexible hose and rubber tube for drain and return. On the drain, I think I will switch to PVC because I plan to split the drain with a valve so half the flow goes to the refugium and the other half goes to the skimmer. First question: Is there an advantage to using hard PVC on the return instead of the rubber tube?

Next question: is that black box with the sponge going to get rid of the bubbles and not be a problem, Or do I need rip that out and build a bubble trap? Nevermind that it would essentially turn this sump into a $175 20 gallon tank; if that's what we need to do, so be it.

And last, does anyone use float sensors to shut off their pump in case the drain gets clogged and/or the sump runs out of water? I'm thinking of trying a DIY method for that, but I'm wondering what others do here first.

Sorry for the long post, but my research has brought back many conflicting ideas and I'm getting anxious to find the answers so I can get this project done and get some water in that tank finally!
 
Can you return that sump? If so I would do that, and go for a complete DIY sump, since that seems to be what you want anyway.
 
+1. I love the Critter but also got influenced to buy a sump from them. They are not worth it and impossible to do much with or sell. Return it ASAP. Building one yourself is very easy to do and is much more flexible.

Since you are in my neck of the woods it would be easy to assist you with doing it. I also have lots of misc plumbing parts left over if you need. I have used both soft and hard plubming and both are fine. You can do more with hard plumbing like building manifolds etc. Again, I'd be happy to help.

I'll send a PM with my contact info if you want to call. I found it very helpful to visit several members tanks to look at how they had it setup. There are tons of ways to do it and every setup requires something different. A little planning here will go a long way.
 
I was there when she bought everything but the manager was too fast for me. He had pretty much selected everything, brought it up front, and rung it up with virtually no input from either of us. I knew my mother would be happy to have what she needed to get started and she didn't seem concerned about it, so I didn't protest much at the time. I later convinced her to return the skimmer, return pump and an extra flexible hose we ended up with. Not because of price, but because the quality isn't what I would want in my system and they didn't have anything better on hand. I usually feel like if the LFS has what I want I'll pay extra to support them, otherwise I can order it myself and have it shipped to my house.

MVlk that's a really nice offer, thanks! I bit off more than I can chew with this sump/fuge thing considering my total lack of experience. The actual construction of one seems pretty straightforward, I'm mostly worried about minimizing noise, preventing a flood, and doing the plumbing right.
 
No prob. It is daunting at first but things fall into place with a little help. Give me a call anytime.

What kind of skimmer did you return?
 
+1 on returning the sump, do it DIY and you save lots of money and end up with a better product usually.
 
It was the Coralife Super Skimmer 65G, just like this one, only it was $144 instead of $80. Price wasn't the only factor here (though with that much of a difference it did play a role), but from what I could gather the product itself isn't very good. I just figured that for about $40 more, she could get the Vertex, which can handle up to 100G instead of 65, and has a much better online rep than the Coralife.
 
i have a custom diy 29 gal sump just sitting in my floor 20 bucks and its yours i cant remember who i got it from on here but it is to big for me shoot me a pm if you wana pic
 
I may be a little late for this party, but here's the sump I made out of a $20 petsmart 20 long, and some cut glass from Nashville Glass.
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