Need to re-Do TTM!

[pdiehm]

Got a pair of clowns from Petco. They ate, were healthy, yadda yadda. Did TTM with 2 10 gallon tanks. Separate equipment, etc. went 21 days in main QT, and placed in the biocube.

Noticed today that one of the clowns has a few spots in it, so obviously I did something wrong.

There was nothing in the tank except some inverts. Used dry sand and dry rock.

Has anyone come across where ich appears in a new tank after doing TTM?

Going to pull the rocks out tomorrow and catch these 2 and start over.

 

[snorvich]

Got a pair of clowns from Petco. They ate, were healthy, yadda yadda. Did TTM with 2 10 gallon tanks. Separate equipment, etc. went 21 days in main QT, and placed in the biocube.

Noticed today that one of the clowns has a few spots in it, so obviously I did something wrong.

There was nothing in the tank except some inverts. Used dry sand and dry rock.

Has anyone come across where ich appears in a new tank after doing TTM?

Going to pull the rocks out tomorrow and catch these 2 and start over.

It may not be ich. Please describe appearance and behavior.

 

[pdiehm]

Behavior: hanging out in back corner, ate relatively well earlier today. Just a bit ago, saw it rub against the back of the cube a few times.


I took some pics but they aren't overly great.

 

[pdiehm]

I definitely think it's ich. Little white specs near fins.

 

[snorvich]

I do not see ich in the pictures (although pictures are not great). I see what appears to be blemishes on the white area of the clownfish.

 

[Deinonych]

Describe how you performed TTM. The only instances I have seen the method fail is when 1.) proper sterilization is not performed between transfers or 2.) more than 72 hours elapses between transfers or 3.) infected water is used (e.g. infected DT water)

 

[pdiehm]

I got the fish, and using water from a display tank (no fish, just clean up crew) as water for the TTM.

Day 1, added the fish. Air stone, 2 pvc pieces and 50W heater in 10g tank.
Day 3: set up tank 2. Same display water, different air stone, tubing, pvc and heater.
Day 4: transferred fish at 70 hours. Drained tank 1, let dry completely along with all pieces.

Repeated this process for the final 3 transfers.

On transfers 2 and 4, I dosed with praziquantel.

I honestly have no idea how this fish got ich. I just looked at it again and it looks like someone sprinkled sugar on its back. I caught it again rubbing against the back wall of the biocube just a moment ago.

I will try to get a better pic or a video but these guys aren't cooperating

 

[Deinonych]

Seems like you did the process correctly. It's possible you may be dealing with velvet, which isn't affected by TTM. Hopefully you can get some clear pictures so a better diagnosis can be made.

 

[pdiehm]

I really can't get better pics. The spots are very faint

 

[pdiehm]

I just snapped off 4. There is a blemish on the orange behind the white mid stripe.

 

[pdiehm]

If it's velvet, then both these guys are goners

 

[Deinonych]

Doesn't look like velvet or crypto (ich) to me, but the pictures are inconclusive. The scratching is definitely cause for concern, but I personally would keep a close eye on them over the next couple days and be prepared to treat.

Velvet isn't a death sentence if you catch it early. But again, doesn't look like velvet to me.

 

[snorvich]

Doesn't look like velvet or crypto (ich) to me, but the pictures are inconclusive. The scratching is definitely cause for concern, but I personally would keep a close eye on them over the next couple days and be prepared to treat.

Velvet isn't a death sentence if you catch it early. But again, doesn't look like velvet to me.

Looks more like the initial stages of brook. However pictures are not conclusive.

 

[pdiehm]

Got the fish out today. Doesn't appear to be as pronounced white spots. Someone told me to count their gill movements, and if it's around 120 it's very likely sick. I couldn't get it to sit still long enough because every time I approach the tank they went ape nuts thinking it was dinner time, which I suppose is a good thing.

They are going through TTM again and going to leave the display without fish (still have snails and crabs) for 60 days in addition to the TTM days.

 

[pdiehm]

Update: the clown in question has no other white specs, but was spitting out pellets or just flat ignoring them today. Went upstairs to check and saw it laying on its side. I dosed Paraguard though I suspect that will do nothing. I also have cupramine and praziquantel.

 

[pdiehm]

Update: little guy is eating. Went in the room half expecting him to be in his side but he was swimming around picking (and spitting out) some pellets that fell. Put in 3 mini pellets with garlic (oceans nutrition I think). He ate them, did not spit out.

The Paraguard is working, I think. Treating him as a new store bought fish. Transfer on Sunday, dose with Paraguard. On 4th transfer, will dose with Prazi and 30 days in 20GL

 

[pdiehm]

Did transfer this morning. White spots seem to have disappeared. He is swimming around, eating well.

2nd transfer into another paraguard tank. Next transfer will be a prazi tank and the last another paraguard treatment. Will spend 30 days in the 20 gallon. Hopefully no signs of any illness and can rejoin it's buddy in the 29 cube, who has shown zero signs of sickness

 

[m0nkie]

They are going through TTM again and going to leave the display without fish (still have snails and crabs) for 60 days in addition to the TTM days.

if you go fallow, I recommend do the full 72 days. I did 3 whole months just to be sure. no point doing 60.

 

[pdiehm]

Finishing up another round of TTM on the clown. This time the transfers were done at 71:45.

White spots still remain in the clown. Literally looks like someone sprinkled him with a little sugar, and he has like razor burn type bumps.

Eating normal. Moving to the 20g long for 30 days tomorrow, which will be dosed with paraguard.

I am fairly certain this is not crypto (ich). Not sure what it is but if it was it would be off him by now. This time I soaked the tank and equipment in the tank with hot water and a little bleach. Completely air dried after rinsing out and soaking in Prime.

If the paraguard doesn't work, may put him through a dose of copper.

 

[Deinonych]

Like Steve mentioned above, you may be dealing with Brooklynella. If that's the case, neither copper nor TTM will treat it. This may be why TTM is not having any effect. Paraguard may treat it, but I've never used it. Only tried and true method for dealing with Brooklynella is formalin dips. Chloroquine phosphate may also be effective, but I'd stick with formalin personally.