Kent D.
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Take a look at this new black snowflake from ORA....pretty exciting stuff.
http://www.orafarm.com/blog/
http://www.orafarm.com/blog/
New Black Snowflake from ORA in the works......
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cannon77
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Yep cool looking fishy, just dont agree with the means to achive it so....
Blah, blah, blah blah......yet another ora Clownfish with "NO" imbreeding to achive it
Can anyone tell us what Filial number this one would be? Just curious
If you dont know about the Filial count, here is the wiki link about it....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F1_hybrid
Blah, blah, blah blah......yet another ora Clownfish with "NO" imbreeding to achive it
Can anyone tell us what Filial number this one would be? Just curious
If you dont know about the Filial count, here is the wiki link about it....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F1_hybrid
hermesfansf
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cute clown, but i prefer Latz Clown.
Personally, I think that is an ugly fish. My opinionIf you took that fish to a koi competition to be judged on its pattern, it would get a "D". To say nothing of the stubby body and flat nose...
I know nothing of Koi, but I agree that its an ugly fish and disproportional...
Rippinfrags
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How is it disproportional?
IMO very nice looking fish!
This question is for bonsai nut-
How do you compare koi markings to oscellaris clownish markings?
BonsaiNut
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Hi Rippin; It is disproportional because the body is short compared to what you would find in the wild. It looks stubby. The back is slightly humped. Additionally, it has a bulldog face with a flat "nose" and its jaw protrudes past its face. In a wild holotype the nose is nicely rounded and follows a smooth arch and the jaw is tucked below. You could show me this fish from 10 feet away for 1 second and I would say "captive raised" even if it had normal markings.
As far as koi pattern goes, you judge on both the design of the pattern and on the quality of the pattern. The pattern should be well defined and symmetrical or balanced. The edges should be distinct and smooth. They should not be blurred, jagged, or incomplete. The pattern should be as clean as possible and should not contain inclusions. Separately (for koi) you don't want the line of the pattern to run into the eyes - you want the eyes to be separate (since the eyes represent so much of the character of the fish). A perfect pattern would almost look like it was painted on the fish.
People judge clowns this way (naturally) without knowing it. It's why some jigsaw or picasso clowns with elaborate, clean markings sell for such a premium.
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Reefing Newbie
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Just my .02: The fish does not look as nice as its regular snowflake cousins. It looks deformed in some ways as stated above. Also the snowflake pattern isn't as much as I would expect for this mix. I don't know maybe more breeding needs to take place. Not sure if snowflakes or black and whites exist in the wild, but maybe bringing in some wild blood will help... Always helps with the overly inbred FW fish such as rams and kribensis, which lose lots of color. And unfortunantly, there is a balloon bellied ram.
Rippinfrags
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Bonsai- thank you for the explanation, I understand what you are seeing now! You seem to know quite a bit about breeding clownfish. Is there a way to change these imperfections?
freetareef
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awesome
By breeding back to either wild stock or stock which show more natural traits, you can get back closer to where the fish originally was... It was selective breeding and crossbreeding that got the fish there, it will be the same to get it back... Personally I don't see that happening until people stop buying these "designer" fish... It is getting to the point where aquacultured fish look less and less like their wild caught counterparts...
Rippinfrags
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I don't know if I agree with you about people needing to stop buying designer fish. Like you said most designer fish are mainly cb, is that not a really good thing? Would it not be better if people were aware of the differences between cb and wc fish, but still kept to purchasing aquacultured fish/designer fish?
Ps. Thankyou for answering my question.
Ok, it would mean that people would have to stop buying deformed fish...
This would be inclusive of the standard line non-crossbred fish when breeders are just trying to put out mass quantities... I am a fan of color variations as long as they don't look weird... :lol2: Then again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder...
Reefing Newbie
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Anyone have any idea on when these will be available? I am thinking of getting a pair if they aren't deformed...
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