New custom DSA starphire tank ~ 450g

The four outer walls of the tank are glass, with the front panel only starphire. I believe the overflow divider is also a slightly shorter glass panel, with an attached taller acrylic sheet with the top notched to create the weir.

Normally I would have gone with an external overflow but I had about 48" of usable depth for the system, and figured 48" with internal overflow had some advantages over 42" with external overflow.



That's where I am too, 48" of depth, and couldn't see any harm in the extra water volume vs a smaller external overflow. I think I saw someone around here that uses the area to introduce fish to the system before going into the display.

Glass front with a taller acrylic back is exactly what I was hoping would be dsa design
 
Sorry I haven't posted any updates for a while. The tank finally arrived last week, it is very nicely made! DSA did a great job on both it and the stand and were pretty quick all things considered. Of course, seeing it in the flesh, there are some things I would have done differently and a couple things on the final drawing I overlooked, which I'm now kicking myself over, but mostly these will create some headaches for my fish guy who will be doing the plumbing.

The coast-to-coast overflow in the back is simply massive and I somewhat regret not doing a smaller external or internal one... that said, there will never be any concern about an external overflow separating or leaking, and there is so much volume back there that I can use it to introduce new fish until they are acclimated (avoid combined stress of harassment and acclimation), place XL biopellets around the skimmer siphon drain, etc. Only other issue is the holes for the return lines are too close together, somewhat jailing-in the skimmer head; will just need to use some extra plumbing fittings to route them out of the way. I am going to be ordering a bunch of sweep ells to minimize flow resistance.

The sump is currently being built locally and should be ready in another week or two, then the plumbing will begin. Sump is being made as large as possible - 69 x 24 x 20 - as my old system had an undersized sump that was quite problematic. All the equipment, excluding closed loop pump and chiller and the associated plumbing, will be within the sump to minimize risk of leakage. The sump sits atop a floor drain, and I am having a bulkhead installed over the drain to make for easy water drainage.

I am also building a high end DIY light rack for the (4) GHL Mitras 6200 LV, basically a copied and slightly beefier version of the ReefKoi Radion rack. All the 80/20 aluminum extrusion, fasteners, brackets, etc. will be arriving on Monday and I'll post some photos of the assembled product. It should look much, much better and be far sturdier than my old MH/VHO setup with aluminum angle frame and bicycle rack ;) I've played with the Mitras a little, wow they are nice lights! I'm hoping I get adequate coverage from the four - which I will hang perpendicular to the tank - but can add some Kessil's or T5s if needed.

A local craftsman is doing the millwork for the theater including the tank surround. He does fabulous work (also did the rest of my home) and has tanks himself. I have not seen his design yet but am confident it will be fabulous.

Well an update to this thread is worthless without some photos from the delivery and move. The tank is incredibly heavy, probably approaching the limits of a glass tank... took 8 very strong guys (including me, I workout a lot) to get it from the floor up onto the stand. Kudos to "Muscular Moving Men" - they were pretty awesome and I recommend them highly if you're in the Phoenix area.

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Here is the plumbing/system schematic I made in CAD. Most of the plumbing is mapped out (open loop in magenta, closed loop in red).

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A diagram of the sump design is attached. I modeled it after the Royal Exclusive Dreambox systems. Basically first compartment (fed by air channel / low flow drain) has an area for filter socks then a refugium; rest of the sump is for skimmer and reactors and the return pump. The stand was built with cross struts on the bottom and I had limited clearance between the floor and tank because it is sitting on an elevated slab; because of this, the bottom of the sump has to be built with cutouts to fit over these struts, otherwise I wouldn't be able to remove the skimmer head which is outfitted with a Vertex cleaner.
 

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I've often wondered about adverse effects of high-output sound on tank life. Are you concerned about that? No wet blanket here, honestly wondered about this. Do you or any on this board have experience with a similar set-up?
 
I've seen other setups in home theaters and the fish honestly don't seem to care much. Even the low frequencies from the subwoofers probably are minimal compared to the vocalizations of whales ;) And think of being under water in a pool, how much of the noise above the water can you hear when submerged ?

Also while my system is capable of very high output, I do not listen at crazy volumes, typically no more than 90-100 dB... no 120 dB heavy metal here.
 
I have had reef tanks proximal to my HT on a few occasions and it really has no effect on the fish. Just make sure the tank is far enough away so that salt 'drift' doesn't do in any of your electronics. I had a very expensive Krell amplifier get fried as a result of salt corrosion. Not good! My current fish room backs onto my HT, but there's a full wall separating the two.

 
I have four water circulation systems planned:

1. Open loop - bean animal setup with (3) 1-1/2" drains. High flow siphon drain to skimmer; low flow air channel drain to refugium with valved diverter; and zero flow emergency/backup drain to return compartment. Return pump is 80w Red Dragon 3 with 1-1/4" output feeding dual 1" return lines; shorter line will tee off to reactor manifold, longer line will route through chiller. Each will connect to a 3/4" locline manifold at the water line. Plan is for about 2x system volume flowing through open loop per hour.

2. Closed loop - dual 1-1/2" drains feeding supplying Reeflo Dart with quad 1" returns. I have an Ocean Motions 4-way from my previous system but will probably not use it, since it was a maintenance headache (with tiny particles jamming the drum), and also may limit volume with only two 1" return lines active at any given time. The returns will feed PVC/locline manifolds that will support some rock pillars; mostly the closed loop will insure adequate circulation around larger aquascape structures.

3. Gyre pumps - dual Maxspect XF150. These will be mounted on the top rear, one on each side, and face frontward pushing water away from the overflow, down the front glass, across the sandbed, and back up. hopefully by the time I buy these they will be supplied with the new rubber mounts which are supposed to reduce noise. These will be the primary water movers within the display tank, running more or less continuously, with limited programming from the controller.

4. Propeller pumps - dual Ecotech Vortech MP40qd. these will be mounted one on each side wall. Normally i will have them running at low speed, but will program them to periodically generate a stronger alternating left-right wave motion to help clear debris and prevent detritus from accumulating in certain places. Also these will maintain flow during any power outage outlasting the UPS' ability to supply the return pump, via Ecotech's battery backup system.

My livestock list includes about 50 fish, mostly smaller reef fish. Larger fish will be a Sohal tang from my old system - he's about 8" now and a mean SOB of course; a pair of crosshatch/mento triggers; and a zebra eel. I'd like a naso tang too, but will need a big one to keep the Sohal in check and with a 6' long tank that may or may not be feasible.

As for inverts, there will be a mixture of hard (LPS & SPS) and soft coral, along with some clams and cleaner-type shrimp which the zebra eel should leave alone. I'd love to have a sea apple too, they are quite fascinating to me, but I need to do more research about risks of keeping one in a high volume system running carbon. I am well aware of the theoretical risk in a lower volume system, although reports of disasters seem quite rare even in that scenario.

I am still undecided as to sandbed (thickness and size) and whether to use dead or live rock; I love the variety of life found on nice live rock but don't really want the problematic hitchhikers either. Gorilla crabs I can leave for the zebra eel or try to catch but a rogue mantis shrimp and nasty fireworms I'd prefer to not deal with. My old system had way too much live rock which left little room for the fish to swim once the corals grew; I'm not making the same mistake this time and will use only enough rock to built the aquascape. The rest will be done with live coral, over time.

This tank is similar to what I envision, although with the exception of the Fiji yellow I am not particularly fond of leather corals. So imagine this with only one zebra eel and take out most of the leathers, and that is what I hope to eventually achieve...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQgIIZfvO14
 
I have had reef tanks proximal to my HT on a few occasions and it really has no effect on the fish. Just make sure the tank is far enough away so that salt 'drift' doesn't do in any of your electronics. I had a very expensive Krell amplifier get fried as a result of salt corrosion. Not good! My current fish room backs onto my HT, but there's a full wall separating the two.


Oh that's sad about the Krell. Awesome amps!

Are those Infinity/Genesis speakers ? I once owned IRS Betas... great speakers.
 
Yes indeed. Longtime Arnie Nudell fan so have made my way through the RS1b, Betas also, and now the Genesis 201. Only trouble with Krell is they run hot and burn through capacitors like they're pop corn.

Awesome looking tank BTW. How many people did it take to lift?
 
Eight strong men for the hoist off the floor to the stand... On the second attempt, first was a fail. It was 1,300 lbs crated and over 800 lbs uncrated.

I'm a line array addict. Mine are the Nola Grand Reference... Likely a lifetime purchase. I used to have tube amps but gave them up when I moved to Arizona.

Here are a few more pics of the DSA custom...

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Eight strong men for the hoist off the floor to the stand... On the second attempt, first was a fail. It was 1,300 lbs crated and over 800 lbs uncrated.

Damn! That'll make your back ache. Been jonesing for a custom tank for a while now, but the carry in weight has scared me off so far.

I'm a line array addict. Mine are the Nola Grand Reference... Likely a lifetime purchase. I used to have tube amps but gave them up when I moved to Arizona.

Only line arrays fro me as well; though the midrange in mine has proven less than completely reliable. I still go tubes, heat's not so much of an issue here in CT.

Here are a few more pics of the DSA custom.

So, what's the usable front to back depth - you lose about 6" to the overflow? DSA make really nice tanks!
 
amen. my original lift was a fail as well... i came from acrylic to glass... I was not prepared... had to call a friend (this was an extra...... ) ... :)
 
Display loses about 7" total with the overflow. I still have about 40" of usable depth between the front glass and overflow wall.

Again this was a compromise of sorts. I could have done a more typical, much smaller internal overflow, which reduces surface skimming effectiveness; an internal coast-to-coast that was not full height, which results in a shadowed and rather inaccessible area along the tank rear that is hard to make good use of; or a coast-to-coast external overflow, but would have had to reduce display tank size for comfortable clearance behind it.

If I could go back in time, I probably would have made the tank 78" wide with a 6" coast-to-coast internal overflow along the right (48") wall, i.e. peninsula style although it would still have been an in-wall setup with only the 72" display portion visible.
 
Sorry for the lack of updates, the tank progress has been sslllooooowwwww but it is coming along. Most of the early work was to get the home theater completed, which is basically is - I'm just waiting for the baseboards and a custom equipment stand (disguised as a coffee table) which will hold the audio components.

As for the tank, plumbing has all been dry fit and gluing has begun. Hope to have some water in it soon!

I would like to move my old tank, so if anyone is interested in an AGA (Tom Hudson era) 235 gallon 72 x 29 deep x 27 tall please let me know. It is starphire front, glass sides, 1" PVC bottom with closed loop bulkheads, acrylic eurobrace top, and external R side overflow.

Here are recent photos:

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The sump looks like it worked out really well, perfect fit into the stand. What features did you have built in? You please with the build quality?

The theater room turned out great!
 
The sump design was challenging, there are channels on the bottom that fit over structural supports that unexpectedly were present in the stand upon delivery. Since the skimmer is under the tank, I was very limited in vertical space. So, the sump sits on a pad directly on the floor, with the stand supports passing through the channels on the bottom. I gave Dom a detailed CAD drawing and he built it perfectly.

The air-glass-water interface is inefficient for transmission of sound; think of how much sound you hear when submerged in a pool. And while the speakers are capable of 120dB, I don't listen at excessive levels, and don't forget whale vocalizations are vastly louder and indeed travel thousands of kilometers through the ocean!
 
After about a year it's finally getting going!

I added about 400 pounds of fully cured LR today. About half came from my old system, the rest came from two LFS. It's a mix of Fiji, Pukani/Tukani, Tonga, and Marshall Islands. Almost all of the pieces are large, a handful are very large. I'm planning on adding a zebra eel and pair of crosshatch triggers, so didn't want piles of smaller rocks for them to disrupt.

For now it is just sitting in the tank with gyres running, I also added a gallon of reef stew to help establish the copepod and amphipod population. Later this weekend someone smaller than me will be 'diving in' to aquascape, after which I'll fire up the skimmer. I'll add the sand subsequently, right now I'm planning on a ~ 2 inch bed of 'special grade' reef sand.

The gyre XF150 pumps are simply awesome, they move a ton of water and are silent. They are on the back wall with flow directed to the front. I have a pair of MP40s that will be installed on the side walls, and a closed loop with a Reeflo Dart.

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