New fish disappearing

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So I'm a little at a loss at what the cause is, but I've attempted to add new fish and it never fails that they disappear in the middle of the night. First I purchased 2 clownfish from a LFS, and they stayed around for over a month with no issues, then one day one of them disappeared. Next I tried 2 chromies ( from a different store ) and it wasn't even a week they disappeared one at a time. Next I tried 2 larger clownfish ( from live aquaria ) and they stayed for around a month until one day one went missing and the other still remains. My only two ideas when something like this is 1) What are all the parameters of the water and 2) Is something killing them?

My parameters have remained constant before, during, and after all this has happened.

Nitrites and Ammonia are 0, Nitrates go up to at most 40ppm, but usually sit lower than that ( Always have been this way ) Ph sits right around 8.0, salt is 1.025. I use RODI water as well. None of the tank mates/corals/clam/etc appear to be unhealthy or unhappy.

I have a yellow tang, blonde naso, damsel, diamond goby, long spine urchin, pincushion urchin, coral banded shrimp, maxima clam, and a variety of different corals. Then I still have 1 small clownfish and 2 larger clownfish.

The only fish that shows any sort of aggression is the damsel, he hates the new fish and he is bigger than the smaller clowfish and chromies, but the bigger clownfish are slightly bigger than him. Would the damsel be the cause? I've seen other people say they are, but its odd to me that he waits until night to do it, during the day he just charges at them if they come near his hiding spot, but doesn't do anything else.

The tank is 120g

Also noted I've never seen the dead fish, they just disappear, according to others/forums this isn't rare and cleanup crews make for a quick cleanup on anything dead, the deaths have also never caused any parameter to spike, but they are also small fish.
 
Do you have live rock? From where? You may have an unwelcome hitchhiker - a gorilla crab, or even a mantis shrimp.

Kevin
 
I purchased the tank established from someone and have had the tank for almost a year, he said he had the tank for years before that so no recent adds of live rock. Though who knows maybe there is something in the tank I'm unaware of. When I moved this tank to my house it was a 45 minute drive, we drained the tank so that only enough water would cover the sand bed ( live rock was under water in buckets ) and took me at least 2 hours to setup/comfortable to put everyone in the tank and 2 months later when an urchin went missing ( still have no clue how a 3-4 inch urchin just disappeared ) I checked my overflow and discovered an alive fish the previous owner had 2 years ago, so if he can survive and be unnoticed then I guess anything is possible. It just sucks not knowing what is causing it or how to prevent it. Would either of those hitchhikers attack corals or a clam? I feel like those are the most fragile and easy targets
 
I would suggest to try in the middle of the night take a look at the tank with a red light and see if there are any hitchhikers they are more likely to come out in the dark and most sea critters can't see red light
 
Unless theyre going under a rock getting stuck dying then CUC getting them or like others said unwanted hitchhikers...the red light i didnt know about but definitely worth a shot. Good luck hope u figure it out
 
I would suggest to try in the middle of the night take a look at the tank with a red light and see if there are any hitchhikers they are more likely to come out in the dark and most sea critters can't see red light

Just ordered a red flash light, I'll give it a try. Hopefully I can find something
 
I would suggest to try in the middle of the night take a look at the tank with a red light and see if there are any hitchhikers they are more likely to come out in the dark and most sea critters can't see red light

Yup, my suggestion as well. Both the tank and room must be dark. Patience. It can take a long time watching to see some hitchhikers.

Good luck,
Kevin
 
We had this same problem in a 90 gallon at the LFS I worked at. We'd add a new fish...then after a couple of days, poof, it would disappear. No body, no nothing. We ended up finding a big nocturnal hitchhiker crab that was hiding in the live rock as the culprit. It looked like this:

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So I'm a little at a loss at what the cause is, but I've attempted to add new fish and it never fails that they disappear in the middle of the night. First I purchased 2 clownfish from a LFS, and they stayed around for over a month with no issues, then one day one of them disappeared. Next I tried 2 chromies ( from a different store ) and it wasn't even a week they disappeared one at a time. Next I tried 2 larger clownfish ( from live aquaria ) and they stayed for around a month until one day one went missing and the other still remains. My only two ideas when something like this is 1) What are all the parameters of the water and 2) Is something killing them?

My parameters have remained constant before, during, and after all this has happened.

Nitrites and Ammonia are 0, Nitrates go up to at most 40ppm, but usually sit lower than that ( Always have been this way ) Ph sits right around 8.0, salt is 1.025. I use RODI water as well. None of the tank mates/corals/clam/etc appear to be unhealthy or unhappy.

I have a yellow tang, blonde naso, damsel, diamond goby, long spine urchin, pincushion urchin, coral banded shrimp, maxima clam, and a variety of different corals. Then I still have 1 small clownfish and 2 larger clownfish.

The only fish that shows any sort of aggression is the damsel, he hates the new fish and he is bigger than the smaller clowfish and chromies, but the bigger clownfish are slightly bigger than him. Would the damsel be the cause? I've seen other people say they are, but its odd to me that he waits until night to do it, during the day he just charges at them if they come near his hiding spot, but doesn't do anything else.

The tank is 120g

Also noted I've never seen the dead fish, they just disappear, according to others/forums this isn't rare and cleanup crews make for a quick cleanup on anything dead, the deaths have also never caused any parameter to spike, but they are also small fish.


also at night do you hear any sound like a pop or snap ?
you could have a mantis shrimp that hides in the rocks
they hunt at night and a large one can take out fish.
i have had small ones that never touched a fish but they are predators and can do it.

one other thing is if some of the "new" fish are not in good health they may be more easy for a crab or mantis to catch them .... just a thought.
 
I had a school of tiny pajama cardinals disappear overnight. I figured they got into my wave maker (they liked to hide near it) and the CUC enjoyed a banquet.
 
I ordered a red light and once it arrives I will attempt to track a hitchhiker. As an update I actively saw my damsel attack the clownfish that is slightly bigger than him. He just kept "biting" him and the clownfish did nothing, didn't even swim away.

In addition, I have a slight infestation of the Asterina starfish ( not as bad as some tanks and they come and go ). The damsel started attacking them to the point he was ripping them off the side of the tank, did this to 5 of them in rapid succession. So while I am not ruling out a hitch hiker, the damsel is on his way to be rehomed by a LFS.
 
I ordered a red light and once it arrives I will attempt to track a hitchhiker. As an update I actively saw my damsel attack the clownfish that is slightly bigger than him. He just kept "biting" him and the clownfish did nothing, didn't even swim away.

In addition, I have a slight infestation of the Asterina starfish ( not as bad as some tanks and they come and go ). The damsel started attacking them to the point he was ripping them off the side of the tank, did this to 5 of them in rapid succession. So while I am not ruling out a hitch hiker, the damsel is on his way to be rehomed by a LFS.

Damsels and clownfish are are two parts of a larger group of fish that all share some common traits, that inclues a strong territory gaurding and defending trait.

fish stores may hold a lot of damsels in one tank. what they do not show you is how many die every night.....

clownfish can be very aggro, one time i had a bio cube and the clowns would see me open the hood to do maint and they would try to jump and scare me away.

when fish see another fish that has the same shape they start to check for that other fish to be competition and if they cant chase it a safe distance then the fight starts.

safe distance depends on the fish territory size.
 
I ordered a red light and once it arrives I will attempt to track a hitchhiker. As an update I actively saw my damsel attack the clownfish that is slightly bigger than him. He just kept "biting" him and the clownfish did nothing, didn't even swim away.

In addition, I have a slight infestation of the Asterina starfish ( not as bad as some tanks and they come and go ). The damsel started attacking them to the point he was ripping them off the side of the tank, did this to 5 of them in rapid succession. So while I am not ruling out a hitch hiker, the damsel is on his way to be rehomed by a LFS.

You may be right and found the killer....a damsel could do this....some more than others...no sure the why!
All you can do is watch and wait. good work!
 
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