New Reefer Rant - Two months in

chanceafrance

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I'm just going to dive in with a thousand and one questions. I jumped in with little money and less experience, but everyone's gotta start somewhere"¦ right? Things are going well so far. Feel free to add your critiques.


55gal
Amm 0 Nitrite 0 Nitrate 5
Gravity 1.025
Calcium ~500ppm
Alk ~1000
Temp 76-81 F I've heard this is just fine and this a terrible fluctuation. My Aqueon 200w heater doesn't do any better.


Dosing SeaChem phytoplankton (one capful twice a week) to promote the copepod population (no terrible algae problems yet, I don't turn my skimmer off so maybe nothing is happening?)


I filled the tank with Reef Crystals and Minneapolis tap water in late September. No problems with the water or algae blooms so far. I've been using Petco seawater at $2 a gallon for weekly 5gal water changes to avoid buildup of tap water impurities. Anyone know anything about Petco tap water? I read it's from too close to shore in Cali to be very good, but I'm in Minnesota so I'm not sure.


I'm running a Seaclone100 protein skimmer, and I understand that it sucks. I already returned the first one within the two month return policy, and will be doing so again in another two months. Hopefully I'll have the funds to upgrade by then. In addition I have a 150GPH water pump that I aim willy-nilly. I hear off the glass is best, but my pump isn't that powerful so maybe more of a direct blast?


Lights, hear me out. I only have button polyps and colt coral, so it's not that important right? Anyway, I'm running two 36watt full spectrum T5 flourescents 12 hours a day, and then a blue/white 10 watt LED light during 12 hours at night. The LED is more for mood lighting, is it a problem to have it on at night? I figured any extra light helps since I don't exactly have a lot. I'm planning on getting real lights, right after I get a better skimmer"¦


Only 10 lbs of liverock so far. I paid $12 a lb for two pretty purple and green rocks from A World of Fish. The nitrogen cycle was a success in spite of my pathetic amount of liverock after about two weeks.
Some hitchhikers I found just recently while cleaning include a red caterpillar looking worm, and some probable feather dusters (or weird snails that look like little hard tubes on the liverock). A patch of dark green (hair?) algae is growing on a small corner, could this become a problem? I have lots of what look like roots running through my liverock. Any idea what they might be? It's definitely dead now.
I just used rocks outside and some to layer the bottom and make a nice little cave. I keep rearranging things on impulse. Is this okay, or am I risking my animals' health by constantly moving things around?


I added a fire shrimp (from Petco, I suck I know) two weeks in. He's molted twice now, and he seems to be doing well. I hand feed him flakes, and he's my favorite. I meant to buy a $10 shrimp and when he rang up at the register he was $37. Needless to say I'm stoked he's still alive. I didn't get any snails for my CUC. I just don't like snails. Should I get snails?


A week later came the Banggai pair. I definitely added them too soon I know. A World of Fish had a pair for $100, but my cheap *** got a pair from Petco for $30. They love frozen brine shrimp and baby brine shrimp but won't touch flakes. I've been heavily feeding them, and I have brine shrimp eggs on hand in case I ever see a mouth bulging with babies. Any suggestions to encourage this?
I have an upside down heated two liter with an airstone for the BBS. I tried using light to separate the BBS from the old eggs but have had zero success. I just pour it in slowly and most of the eggs stick to the sides of the 2 liter. It seems to be working. I hope I'm not doing it wrong?


Onward with my terrible decisions! Two weeks later (~3 weeks ago) I bought a $15 (colt?) coral frag from Petco, and the guy gave me a button polyp frag for free. I figure I'll never know if coral will live in my tank until I try. The button polyp has been doing well, although it's reaching for the light quite a bit? Or is that just how they look?
The colt coral is all over the place. From what I've read that's just kind of what they do sometimes, but also could be because my water quality sucks. It's slumped over shriveled up with no polyps, and a few hours later 4x bigger and covered in polyps. Not sure what to make of it? I recently aimed the pump at it to avoid a mucus build up, but it doesn't necessarily like the current. Should I run the pump on and off every half hour, or just during the day, or not aim it so directly at the colt coral? Not sure if having inconsistent currents like on a real reef actually matters or if a constant current does the same? The Banggai's also seem to enjoy the extra current as compared to without it. I hope dosing the phytoplankton helps both of these corals either directly or in a round-a-bout way.


As I read about Banggai babies I came across the longspine urchin. They were $15 at Petco so I once again jumped in and got one about a week after the coral. He's been cleaning my liverock and glass and is so cool. He bumped a frag but hasn't knocked any over yet. He's really small right now, but I think he may need a bigger tank someday if he gets huge? Does anyone know how long that usually takes? I'd like to upgrade eventually anyway. I spot fed him a few algae pellets right when I got him, is this necessary or should there be plenty of coralline for him in general?


My last addition was just four days ago. I noticed I had an absurd amount of copepods on my glass and rocks, so I thought my tank would be able to support a dragonet in spite of the warning that you should wait months before adding one. This time I went to my new favorite LFS called Aquatropics. They only sell marine fish and coral and have a beautiful shop. I went in with the intention of buying a green mandarin, but the one in the tank just didn't look the same as the internet. He was dull and didn't move or eat at all which from what I've read is a huge red flag? Anyway I noticed the ruby red dragonet and decided it was BEAUTIFUL, and it was eating! And better yet they had a pair! So instead of one $30 difficult to care for fish, I walked away with two $40 difficult to care for fish.
I am under the impression that you shouldn't quarantine dragonets if you can't feed them properly, so I didn't. So far one of them is eating quite a lot of the copepods, but the other has mostly just been hiding in one spot. I read this is normal, but I am concerned about the one. They are just under an inch long and so damn cool. The Fire Shrimp actually cleaned the bolder one. Is there anything I should know about these guys?
I figure as long as I see copepods they must be fine. I also feed BBS to the tank as a backup food source (the Banggai's love the BBS and I know button polyps can eat them too).




I'm going to try to wait awhile to add another fish. I know I rushed it a bit, and I"˜ll need to set up a quarantine for any newcomers now that I have some $ in fish in there. I'm planning on avoiding Petco for future purchases as well, although my local one has a very dedicated employee.
But when I do get another fish, what should I get? I need a centerpiece, and I want something big. Most people would say tangs need a little more space. I've read a flame angel would do just fine, but the guy at Aquatropics said they needed at least 75g? This same sort of fine line seems to be drawn for a whole bunch of fish. So what do you guys think would work well? If my colt coral and button polyps do well I hear they can actually become a problem, so coral nibblers aren't necessarily out of the question. I was thinking I could get a little saddle puffer at the risk of my fire shrimp, or even a dwarf lionfish at the risk of my red dragonets? Or is a dwarf angel a better bet? Another LFS said a (I assume dwarf) yellow angel they had would do fine?
Other additions could be some pretty rainbow looking wrasse or a hawkfish. Would all filefish take out my shrimp or are any small enough?


Any other cool invertebrates that I could look into? I'll look into coral if I see success in my current frags and upgrade my lights.


On a side note, Aquatropics sells Macroalgae. Should I buy some? Or would it just be weird in my main tank since I don't have a sump?


Anyway there's my rant. Thanks for your input!
 
are ur dragonets eating other food besides the pods? if u don't have a refug to grow ur pods, the dragonets will eat all the pods in ur DT pretty fast.
 
You'll almost certainly need to buy and hook up a sump to use as a fuge to grow pods or put in serious work getting the dragonets to eat prepared foods.

Also, why buy fish that you acknowledge will possibly eat your shrimp/dragonets? I would not get any of the fish you listed, puffer, lion, or angel. Tank too small for the angel fish. Look at some more peaceful fish to go in there that won't eat the pods.

Best advice I can give right now is slow down. You've added plenty for now. Make sure those fish you have settle in and are well cared for before adding anything else. And buy a RODI unit. I buy salt water from my LFS for $1/gallon, and I just have a 10 gallon tank for now. BRS is having a sale on RODI units. At your $2/gallon price http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/brs-4-stage-value-plus-ro-di-system-75gpd-1.html this will pay for itself in a few months.
 
Stop buying pre mixed water. Just get RO/DI water or buy a filter. The $2 a gallon is going to make the hobby way too expensive to continue when the new tank feeling wears off. Sumps are great, you need one. And be careful about what fish you add if you are thinking about adding corals, many fish are not reef safe.

Other than that, have fun. Just remember that consistent conditions are better than spot on ones.
 
If I may make a sugestion.

After reading though your post and taking a peek at your pictures, your best course of action at this time may be to see if one of your LFS will take your fish in for a little while as a sort of "fish vacation" to give yourself time to make the changes necessary to your tank to provide a proper living environment for your fish.

IMO your fish (over a potentially short period of time) will starve or otherwise due to their current environment. This is especially true of your dragonets.

Your enthusiasm for this hobby is great and I think you could have a wonderful tank but unfortunatly your current system is not condusive to marine life. Keep on these forums, research as much as you can and slowly start building your tank.
 
Seems like an unethical thing to do regarding the skimmer being returned once already and your plan to do it again.

For the cost of it and fish you shouldn't have purchased, you could have bought a decent skimmer.
 
That dragonet can decimate your cope population in a matter of days. also $2 a gallon is quite expensive I get my water from my LFS at $0.50 a gallon.

That is one thing I've learned quickly in this hobby, with trying to cut cost. Just spend the money, My $400 skimmer was the second skimmer I bought, and my LED is the third light for $360. Its best to just spend the money for a quality product because I love my gear now.
 
are ur dragonets eating other food besides the pods? if u don't have a refug to grow ur pods, the dragonets will eat all the pods in ur DT pretty fast.
The LFS said they were eating frozen when I bought them which is why i felt brazen enough to get them in the first place. I'm going to try chopping up frozen brine as fine as I can for them tonight. I thinkkkk the BBS are also being eaten by them, but I'm not sure. Is there a good way to get the BBS to them?
 
You'll almost certainly need to buy and hook up a sump to use as a fuge to grow pods or put in serious work getting the dragonets to eat prepared foods.

Also, why buy fish that you acknowledge will possibly eat your shrimp/dragonets? I would not get any of the fish you listed, puffer, lion, or angel. Tank too small for the angel fish. Look at some more peaceful fish to go in there that won't eat the pods.

Best advice I can give right now is slow down. You've added plenty for now. Make sure those fish you have settle in and are well cared for before adding anything else. And buy a RODI unit. I buy salt water from my LFS for $1/gallon, and I just have a 10 gallon tank for now. BRS is having a sale on RODI units. At your $2/gallon price http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/brs-4-stage-value-plus-ro-di-system-75gpd-1.html this will pay for itself in a few months.
The LFS said they were eating frozen foods and have been doing well for awhile there, so I'm going to try chopping frozen brine shrimp up tonight. One of them has been going to town on the copepods, the other has mostly just been hiding.

Good point on the saltwater. I'm just wasting money. I'll make the Ro/Di a priority.

I hear things on the internet like flame angels in a 30g, so I guess some people just dont care about the fish. But I dont want a dwarf angel being mean cause he's cramped so good call. Do you have any good suggestions for something that will swim more near the top of the tank?

Thanks
 
Seems like an unethical thing to do regarding the skimmer being returned once already and your plan to do it again.

For the cost of it and fish you shouldn't have purchased, you could have bought a decent skimmer.
I agree. It was just a stall to extend the warranty. But I have bought quite a lot from Petco, so I don't feel terrible like I would about an LFS.
 
If I may make a sugestion.

After reading though your post and taking a peek at your pictures, your best course of action at this time may be to see if one of your LFS will take your fish in for a little while as a sort of "fish vacation" to give yourself time to make the changes necessary to your tank to provide a proper living environment for your fish.

IMO your fish (over a potentially short period of time) will starve or otherwise due to their current environment. This is especially true of your dragonets.

Your enthusiasm for this hobby is great and I think you could have a wonderful tank but unfortunatly your current system is not condusive to marine life. Keep on these forums, research as much as you can and slowly start building your tank.
Is this primarily due to the food situation? I have a spare tank and could set up a little copepod tank tonight. Can I buy a bag of copepods online and get them to thrive in a side tank? Or is the actual sump system necessary? I've been looking at a good pump system to move water to the sump and back, but I haven't seen anything great at the LFS or Petco. I'd really like to put in the extra time to keep these guys if I can.
 
That dragonet can decimate your cope population in a matter of days. also $2 a gallon is quite expensive I get my water from my LFS at $0.50 a gallon.

That is one thing I've learned quickly in this hobby, with trying to cut cost. Just spend the money, My $400 skimmer was the second skimmer I bought, and my LED is the third light for $360. Its best to just spend the money for a quality product because I love my gear now.
That's a good idea. I plan on spending at least 200 on a skimmer shortly here. I was thinking the reef octopus hob1000? Or if i get a sump going would that still be a good choice?
 
I don't want to be the bad guy here but....you are in so far over your head I don't even know where to start.

The best advice i can give is that you really must listen to people on the forum if you want to be successful in this hobby.

Your Mandies dont stand a chance in all honestly. A very well established 55 gallon most likely would not be able to support one mandy, much less two. They may eat frozen foods but surely will not compete for them. So unless they are the only fish in the tank this is a mute point.

It sounds like you have poor flow and using tap water. When you do upgrade your lights to something that is able to keep coral alive the algae is going to go nuts.

Trust me, from experience. Making these mistakes and not listening to experience Reefers will only frustrate you and drive you to give up the hobby.
 
reef octopus 1000 is a strong skimmer choice, I have a remora and id suggest looking into them. Mine was pulling gunk out at the first hour. Also id suggest letting the dragonets go. they eat, eat, and eat more. They will need a lot of copes and truthfully these fish aren't meant to stay on a 100% captive food diet.


Sadly madarins will take months to die and you wont even know until they go down you just wont have the cope population to support even just one. I learned withing an hour after trying to "save" one. I gave him to my LFS who re-homed her immediately.
 
I love your enthusiasm. And yes, you'll be much happier if you let the foot off the gas a little bit.

Is there a salt water community in your area? If so, see if someone can come look at your tank and make suggestions. Sometimes being in person helps a lot.
 
Watch the Mandy bellies. I foolishly tried one after I thought I was ready AND I was adding copepods like a madman AND I was training it to eat prepared foods.

Sadly, like most dragonets, he wilted away and starved to death.
 
This is not what you're going to want to hear, but after looking at the pictures of your tank, this entire system is flawed. It appears you have rock (slate?) and other landscaping rocks of unknown origins as your substrate in your tank. Who knows what kind of metals, etc. could leach from these rocks.

I really don't know where to start, but I'm certain this tank will crash or you're going to continuously kill whatever goes in it. That urchin, the dragonettes are doomed.

The best advice I can offer you is to sell this whole system. Find a build thread on here you really like and copy it. In the mean time save some money and buy all the basic things a good system is going to need. Drilled tank, sump, light, skimmer, return pump, heater, powerheads, ATO, quality live/dry rock and aragonite sand. All of the bells and whistles can be added later.

Start a build thread and ask for advice as you build the system.

Just my opinion and 2 cents. Good luck.
 
I just noticed the substrate. Nitrate factory as all sorts of gunk will build up under it. Doing it right would have saved you so much money because now you have to redo almost everything you've done plus wasted money on livestock it has very little chance of long-term survival
 
This is not what you're going to want to hear, but after looking at the pictures of your tank, this entire system is flawed. It appears you have rock (slate?) and other landscaping rocks of unknown origins as your substrate in your tank. Who knows what kind of metals, etc. could leach from these rocks.

I really don't know where to start, but I'm certain this tank will crash or you're going to continuously kill whatever goes in it. That urchin, the dragonettes are doomed.

The best advice I can offer you is to sell this whole system. Find a build thread on here you really like and copy it. In the mean time save some money and buy all the basic things a good system is going to need. Drilled tank, sump, light, skimmer, return pump, heater, powerheads, ATO, quality live/dry rock and aragonite sand. All of the bells and whistles can be added later.

Start a build thread and ask for advice as you build the system.

Just my opinion and 2 cents. Good luck.


I agree
 
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