New Tank Diary! 70 Tall (36x18x25)

OK - time for more updates (unfortunately w/o pictures right now, I'll try to get some tonite after work)

Holes are drilled, only took 2 hours :rolleyes: (Thanks a lot Ryan!)

I painted the back of the tank black last night, and it looks great!(i got a little splotchy on my last coat cause the can was running out of paint, but luckily you can't tell when looking from the front)

Brad had an old sump sitting in his garage that he wasn't using and fits into my stand perfectly (Thanks Brad!). It also has a cover so it will protect my electrical stuff from evap/salt creep so I decided to use that instead of modifying the 30B that I had. (I gave it to Ryan for helping me drill and I think he's gonna turn it into a frag tank which I'm then going to buy coral out of...) Ryan also cut out a slight portion of the sump cover to allow my skimmer to "Hang In Sump" off one of the baffles.

I'll be receiving bulkheads this week, and I also just placed an order for my CL intake cover (http://www.aquaticeco.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/product.detail/iid/8566/cid/2098) I'm getting the 2 inch one and then I'll connect it to the bulkhead with a threaded nipple - hopefully that also arrives this week. I'm also getting a couple other fittings from them that should almost round out my plumbing (still need to get some 1 1/2" flex from Lowes, and some 1" pipe/fittings for the sump return)

(I don't know if you guys are aware of that site - but they've got a bunch of fittings - I found a threaded reducer/bushing from Male 1 1/2" to Female 3/4" that'll allow me to use locline w/o having like 10" of reducers coming out of my bulkhead, maybe you all knew this existed but I was ecstatic to find it!)

Hopefully I'll be able to do a freshwater test this weekend!!
 
&uotSo I didn't actually get any plumbing done today like I was planning (well I put the bulkheads in...), but I did get the tank in place so here are some pics to tide you over. I did get the back painted last week.

hopefully I will do some plumbing throughout the week. I did get a QT setup at least! the sponge is in Ryan's overflow right now so it can pick up some bacteria so my QT will hopefully cycle quickly and I can get some fish in there to coincide with the end of my DT cycle!

Tank in it's position in the living room
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CL (intake in middle, there will be locline on left output)
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Here's a closeup of the intake and the outlet which will eventually have locline for some flow control.
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Finally a side view of this nozzle I found online - I'm not sure how the flow is supposed to work, but it was like $3 and so i thought i'd get it to see if it can keep that corner of the tank clean (I think my output from the sump is gonna come straight down that side if it can't.)
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Fun with Locline

Fun with Locline

I got my Locline today, and my GF was home sick from work so I didn't even have to drive all the way over to UPS to pick it up! (i hate that UPS won't leave a package at a multi-unit building...)

After a couple attempts here is what I came up with, and I think it'll work but if not I'll be adjusting when I'm doing a freshwater leak test (hopefully it's pretty close to final though, cause its easiest to work on with the bulkhead removed which is obviously not possible with water in the tank...)

When I first started planning a tank I decided that I wanted as little equipment as possible which I thought would be the easiest to achieve with no powerheads and all flow coming from a CL (If I wasn't going majority SPS I obviously could get by with less flow/plumbing)

As you'll see from the pictures - I should be able to cover up most of the plumbing with my aquascaping - but in a tank this small it eats up a lot of valuable real estate. I feel like my tank is only 12" deep instead of 18" (due to the overflow and CL) and I think I'm gonna have to decide if I want to still go with open rockwork which might not cover up plumbing as well or more of a "rockwall" that would hide everything.

I think that keeping equipment out of sight while still accomplishing the flow/filtration necessary is one of the biggest challenges in this hobby - and I'll definitely be spending lots of time thinking about it when I'm planning my next tank!

Onto the pictures -

Top/Front view -
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Side view
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So I'm doing some plumbing right now - and I think I've decided that I really should have someone here who knows what the hell they're doing...

I don't think I've done anything wrong - but 1 bulkhead is already not gonna come out very easily (if at all - there's a 90 a couple inches behind it) and I just don't want to make any mistakes that would involve cutting existing things I've already glued...

So I'm going to continue measuring and cutting, but I'm only gluing where I don't think it will hurt anything, and I'm gonna try and get someone over here this weekend to help me out. My dad is already coming over to finish somethings on my stand - so I'll be working on the tank anyway - my goal is to actually have water in it this weekend, at least doing a leak test if not leak test completed and filling with RO/DI.

Brad, Ryan, JJ, anyone else in DM with plumbing experience - want to come watch/help me plumb this weekend??
 
Thank you Ryan for coming over this morning and running to Lowe's with me so I could bounce the plumbing ideas of someone!

Ryan sugggested some things and it made a lot more sense and I was even able to return 2 double union ball valves with the new setup!

I'm just waiting on a couple things right now in order to get my plumbing done today.

1 - my dad is coming over to "extend" my stand where the sump sits and I'm waiting til that happens to plumb my drains so I know exactly where they go.
2 - I was hoping to use some leftover 2" Flex PVC from brad, but he is not going to have any extra - so I'm trying to find some around here today and if I can't I'll order some on Monday (unless anyone has like 1 foot of 2" flex laying around). Luckily my dad has a friend who install pools/spas so he may have some sitting around or know where I can get some locally.

I'll have some pictures up after I get the sump in place and the drain plumbed.
 
Oh, he's set, Brad. He's got 'local' expertise now.



Hopefully the sarcasm comes across, cause I'm laying it on plenty thick.

Phil, other than playing around with the interior of your tank (the locline routes) I think you're set.
 
I actually am almost done with my plumbing - just got a little bit to do right now to get the return from the sump done!

I ended up not even needing the flex that I went and got yesterday - so I wasted a couple hours sitting around before I could go pick that up. regardless it all worked out - and as long as my CL pump doesn't cause any problems sitting on top of my sump, I'm good to go!

I do have 8' of 1 1/2" black flex PVC that I ended up not needing if anyone has any use for it...

Pics coming in an hour or so!

PS - thanks again Ryan for all your help - I will need to borrow your dremel for like 2 minutes...when we measure the hole in the top of my sump I didn't realize that after the 3" of tubing it got about 1/8" wider so the hole we cut is just not quite big enough....
 
That's no problem, come and borrow the dremel anytime you like.

Are you going to be able to remove the cover of your sump with the closed loop pump sitting on it? I thought you were going to build a brace for it extending from your false back?
 
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funny I should come over there and read this just now, cause I just finished gluing my CL, and it's like 1/4 inch above the top of the sump and so I can get the top off!

I've got to put on my durso's and then I'll take some pics while I'm filling up the tank with tap water for a leak test.

while I'm doing the test I'll see if the CL pump needs to be braced/supported or if the PVC will hold it in place...I'm hoping it'll be fine as it is...but I doubt it.
 
PICTURES!!

PICTURES!!

first some pics of the drain and return.

Dursos (the 1" will be the main thus its lower, return pump is about 500GPH after head loss)
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Drain to Sump (black flex is 1 1/2", white is 1") The 1" flex curves right about my skimmer, you can somewhat see the cutout on the sump
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Return Pump
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Return over the top of the tank
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Next some pics of the CL

Here's a top down view
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From the Left (left if you're looking at the front) The return is also visible.
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From the Right (again R if you'er looking from front). You can see the spot for the skimmer and how the drain flex goes around the skimmer.
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Finally - the pump. As you can see it's barely above the top of the sump. You can also see where we had to remove a 2x4 because I didn't build the stand with a RR tank in mind. Eventually we'll have to put that back. Luckily it wasn't a support, it was just a way to hang a shelf so we can just move it to the other side of the shelf and reinstall!
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The double union ball valve handles are all accessible from inside the stand - which will be nice because I should be able to remove the pump for cleaning from inside the stand.

Eventually there will be a false back on the stand to hide the plumbing when viewed from the sides/back.

Next up is doing a leak test and then starting to fill it up with RO/DI, bring my salinity up and do some aquascaping! At some point during my cycle I also need to finish wiring my lights. I'm picking up my aquacontroller next weekend so I believe I'm actually done buying stuff!!! Well hardware anyway, obviously much money is still to be spent on livestock :)
 
So I'm not sure if this is just because the pump is underpowered and I need to step up (alot) or if I'm missing something...

Here is the outlet on the R side, getting some decent water flow here
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However on the L side, I get OK flow out of the bottom nozzle, but the "middle" nozzle has very little flow, and the top nozzle doesn't even have any water coming out of it...
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what are your thoughts? do I need to step up to a pressure rated pump? or am I missing something else? (all my unions are wide open)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11167097#post11167097 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tibbs2
The tank is coming along nicely. For the return, have you considered using locline?

I've thought about it - but I'm hoping that most of my flow will be coming from my CL so I don't think I'll need to direct my return at all. (and I'm going to have a canopy on there eventually so you won't be able to see the white plumbing anyway)

anyone have any ideas about my pump? Do I just need to jump up to a dart? (or higher?)
 
No one has any thoughts about my pump?

Even with head loss from the plumbing (90s, 45s, unions, ball valves) I would think that 2000GPH should be sufficient, but I just don't see how I'm getting that much. Unless the locline setup I've got is really creating that much more pressure that it can't handle getting up that extra 8" and most of the flow is going to the bottom 2 outputs.

I'm just so confused cause I've seen so many setups with like 8 outputs on a CL, and granted they're using a dart and mostly the outputs are about the same level - but I would think that a snapper should be able to handle 4 outlets and provide all the flow I need???

Anyone have a Dart that is not in use or that can be removed from their system for a couple hours so I can plug it into mine and see if that would be enough flow or if I need to go even bigger?

Any other recommendations on a CL pump other than the sequence line? (I know they're flow rated, but there shouldn't be much head pressure at all since it's a CL!!)
 
I don't know much about pumps.

In the picture it doesn't look like the return is submerged. That will make quite a bit of splashing noise and create quite a bit of salt spray won't it?
 
You're right the return was not submerged - but my tank was only about 1/3 full of water in those pictures...

I got some ideas from the equipment forum and I think I have some ideas on how to fix my situation (hopefully), but I'm gonna have a lot of extra locline I think! looks like I'll be able to use it on my return after all.

Anyone got an extra 3/4" threaded connectors? (http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~LL1319.html) or maybe placing an order for anything that I can add this too (so I don't have to place an online order for $2)
 
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