New wavemaker- awesome!!!
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weatherson
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Mike: I would think that even if you used identical motors on both devices, they wouldn't synchronize due to different levels of drag. Each device's mechanicals would apply different resistance forces on the motor. Over time, even the slightest difference would create a timing differential.
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burton14e7
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mach said:
Dont even use an over flow, just put a PVC hook. Over flows are a crock of s#*t.
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burton14e7
You obviously don't know what you are talking about. Mach is talking about using a this on a sump. If you use a "hook" that when the pump turns off the "hook" will siphon the water out of the tank until the siphon breaks. Then once the pump turns back on, there will be no siphon in the "hook" and you will pump all the water out of the sump, overflow the tank, and flood the room.
I must assume that you thought that he was going to use it for a closed loop--although he clearly talks about a sump and overflow box. In the case of a closed loop, a "hook is fine" because when the pump turns off, the circulation just stops and starts when the pump turns back on. No ability to back siphon.
Please read the posts more carefully, so you don't get someone in trouble.
Just some random thoughts.
ken
You obviously don't know what you are talking about. Mach is talking about using a this on a sump. If you use a "hook" that when the pump turns off the "hook" will siphon the water out of the tank until the siphon breaks. Then once the pump turns back on, there will be no siphon in the "hook" and you will pump all the water out of the sump, overflow the tank, and flood the room.
I must assume that you thought that he was going to use it for a closed loop--although he clearly talks about a sump and overflow box. In the case of a closed loop, a "hook is fine" because when the pump turns off, the circulation just stops and starts when the pump turns back on. No ability to back siphon.
Please read the posts more carefully, so you don't get someone in trouble.
Just some random thoughts.
ken
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The motor I am using is an industrial strength motor primarily used to drive peristaltic pumps in hospitals for pumping blood.
I figure this would be a reliable motor,or we would be dead.
Even using it to feed two opposed sea swirls would give a flow pattern, but likely as said neither my motor nor the swirl motors would ever be so accurate as to give the same flow.
I could figure how to do it using some electronics with trip sensors that would reset every revolution that would give you an extremely close constant flow but might be worth more than you would be prepared to pay , and I personally think that random has its advantages.
hope this helps
Paul
I figure this would be a reliable motor,or we would be dead.
Even using it to feed two opposed sea swirls would give a flow pattern, but likely as said neither my motor nor the swirl motors would ever be so accurate as to give the same flow.
I could figure how to do it using some electronics with trip sensors that would reset every revolution that would give you an extremely close constant flow but might be worth more than you would be prepared to pay , and I personally think that random has its advantages.
hope this helps
Paul
burton14e7
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Why would you want an overflow on your sump?? Unless you have an auto top off you could run out of water in your sump for the overflow to stop working anyways. Yes i was assuming for a tank closed loop. If your taking water from your sump shouldn't you just use another/bigger pump with a Y break to split the lines anways in addition to the possibility of not having enough drainage for the additional return.
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burton- I think we are on the wrong page. What do you mean overflow on my sump? Im talking about a larger external overflow box to drain water from my tank to my sump. Then adding a larger pump for a return from sump to a 4 way wavemaker into tank. I plan on using a mag1800 so i would need a overflow box that could handle 1500gph. Does this make sense? Or am i better off using a closed loop?
NuclearReefs
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Id stick with closed loop personally running through the 4 way.... add on overflows can be NOISY even though you can tweak them to get some of this turned down...
burton14e7
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makes perfect sense to me, i think adding a closed loop in addition to your overflow would be more cost effective. For instance just adding plumbing and a new pump vs buying a new bigger (more expensive) over flow wich will probably need new bigger circumfrance plumbing anyways in addition to a new BIG (more expensive) pump. But this is all personal preferance and its your tank. The up side to what you have planned is there would be less crap behind your tank 
When I emaild mr golfman about how to plumb up his 4 way to an overflow alone because I didnt want to drill new bulkheads in addition to the ones i have for my sump drain he suggested to just use a hook because it is essentially doing the same thing as an overflow, IE draining water.
stock man confused me.
When I emaild mr golfman about how to plumb up his 4 way to an overflow alone because I didnt want to drill new bulkheads in addition to the ones i have for my sump drain he suggested to just use a hook because it is essentially doing the same thing as an overflow, IE draining water.
stock man confused me.
burton14e7
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*sigh* americans
burton14e7
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i picked up one of these a week or so ago,i drilled a hole 3/4 way up in the middle back of my tank,feeding into a pump(not sure on size yet),probaly about 1200gph as its a 235g,then use 4 outputs on the unit,i also have 2 one inch sea swirls from my sump return,i will have water in this tank soon and i will post results.Flavio
Here is another suggestion Paul.
Could you change the angle of the turn on the revolutins so that it turns say 30 or 60 degrees instead of 45 on each activation? Having all your revolutions turn the same # of degree at each activation would produce a similar water pattern. If someone had a couple of 45 degree revolutions and a couple of 60 degree revolutions, then the water patterns would be much more random.
I don't know how the revolutions function, but I imagine that somewhere you have a track that guides the turn and that changing the angle of the track would change the degree of each turn.
The only concern would be that the new angles don't provide too much / enough resistance to prevent / cause the revolutions turn.
Just my thoughts.
BTW, great looking product:thumbsup:. I can't wait to upgrade my tank so that I can have one.
Could you change the angle of the turn on the revolutins so that it turns say 30 or 60 degrees instead of 45 on each activation? Having all your revolutions turn the same # of degree at each activation would produce a similar water pattern. If someone had a couple of 45 degree revolutions and a couple of 60 degree revolutions, then the water patterns would be much more random.
I don't know how the revolutions function, but I imagine that somewhere you have a track that guides the turn and that changing the angle of the track would change the degree of each turn.
The only concern would be that the new angles don't provide too much / enough resistance to prevent / cause the revolutions turn.
Just my thoughts.
BTW, great looking product:thumbsup:. I can't wait to upgrade my tank so that I can have one.
golf nut
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Picking up a Dart tomorrow actually, I want to try it on the 4 Way
You caught me doing some plumbing pics for the site, but I am always willing to respond.
As to the question regarding angles, yes it is possible, I will offer more permutations once there are enough out there to get feedback as to what would be preferable. done properly the options would be a simple swap out for just one of the three major components that make up a "revolution".
I will host some plumbing pics later today.
Paul
You caught me doing some plumbing pics for the site, but I am always willing to respond.
As to the question regarding angles, yes it is possible, I will offer more permutations once there are enough out there to get feedback as to what would be preferable. done properly the options would be a simple swap out for just one of the three major components that make up a "revolution".
I will host some plumbing pics later today.
Paul
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Seems my explanation wasn't too clear on the 8way specifically the horizontal plumbing.
Enclosed is link to both vertical and horizontal plumbing solutions.
http://www.oceansmotions.com/paul/om/13-8way.jpg
Paul
plumbing
Seems my explanation wasn't too clear on the 8way specifically the horizontal plumbing.
Enclosed is link to both vertical and horizontal plumbing solutions.
http://www.oceansmotions.com/paul/om/13-8way.jpg
Paul
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