Newb here.. wanting to start up a tank.

beatrixkido

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Looking for some advice.. Wanting to start up a larger tank maybe 75g to 150g. What advice would you have on that area? Where would be a good place to find a good quality nice priced tank? Any good DETAILED sites on building a good Sump and Overflow? (The one site listed on here has thumbnail picture and thats it.) I know the general Idea of how it works.. I just don't want to mess up the sump and overflow from lack of description. I was talking to someone about it and they said I should post a topic on here and a bunch of people would be willing to help me out. On getting a tank up and what to do. I have been meaning to get this started for awhile and now just seems like the best time.. Look forward to hearing some responses.

Thanks,

Bill
 
You can actually buy a premade sump, if you like. You want a good strong, thick-glass aquarium, because it's going to hold a lot of rock. You can also buy them already drilled. I got mine from Oceanic, via my lfs. But you can often find bargains in this site---just be sure it's been used only for reef. You can clean off old water deposits with vinegar. You can do the same for equipment.
You need a tank, stand, return pump {mag somethingoranother) and a sump and an in-sump skimmer, a durso pipe for the overflow box [predrilled will not have this pipe kit with its hoses: you need to buy it]; you notice I didn't say 'filter'. You don't need one. If your pre-made sump has bioballs, lose them. Besides that you need a heater, a couple of digital thermometers, and I'd advise a ro/di water filtration unit [portable is fine] plus a refractometer, since you'll be testing a lot of water. You'll need aragonite sand [read the forum on that one: imho, aragonite] and live rock, and you'll need your lights and ballasts and timers. Beyond that, you're pretty well set. You need to decide up front whether you want to do corals with a few fish, or all fish. The equipment you buy, particularly the lighting, is set by that choice.
 
Yeah I was at the store and the guy was saying I should come here and look into building one. I am wanting to do corals and Fish, Yeah he said I should take out the Bioballs and throw in Live rock where th balls were. I got some nice books on it.. but they were pretty much all on buy this tank and do this to set this up, Was hoping to jump into a larger tank set up.. Sorry to ask this but what is an lfs? I saw you said you got yours from Oceanic, via lfs. I also read to have the dual lights system but at 2 of the stores I went to today looking at stuff the tanks all came with one light. Is it better to build a light set up or purchase the really expensive ones?
 
LFS= Local Fish Store
The coral you are interested in will determine the amount of wattage you will need. Definately get a good light fixture, its the most important piece of equipment you will buy. The one that comes "stock" on a tank is totally useless for a reef tank.
 
ahh Ok lfs .. yeah duh.. Newbs suck at times.. but everyone was one at one point.. Yeah.. I know the amount of light is the most important part of the set up, and matching the amount they recieve from the sunlight is the really important. I just didn't know if there was a way to set thoose lights up or to set one up DIY or just buy one of the nice ones..
 
you are certainly on the right track going with a drilled tank, do not torture yourself with siphon hang on overflows

you are also doing yourself a favor by starting bigger....even though its a little more expensive to start off, its about the same anyways and you'll thank yourself later, you will always want to go bigger

and this forum is a good place to find good priced stuff, I think theres a 75 for sale right now

its also a good place for equipment that is used
 
any site on how to set up a drilled tank.. Like I buy one from a store and do the drill set up myself? I havent seen any predrilled for sale where I looked so far in the stl area.
 
the all glass "reef ready" ones are drilled and have overflows

searching on RC is a good tool, too bad its a rip off and you have to pay to use the search, unless its 3 am, but then they're doing backups...anyways, thats another can of worms

are you wanting to know how to actually drill the hole yourself or how to plumb a tank that is drilled

I always just take the tank to a glass company and have them drill it...im too chicken to do it myself
 
well a little of both.. I don't recall seeing any drilled holes in the reef tanks I saw at the store I was at last.. It had the overflow and the Sump kit with it.. Been trying to find a really good image of one with a drilled hole leading to a sump.. the guy at the store said I should use Chaeto in the sump.. Yeah I really dont have any idea how to set up a sump at all.. The books I have all show side mounted equipment.. but after talking to the guy at the store the best method is going sump..
 
Basically, on a predrilled, you get some hose clamps and open your durso box, stick the big ribbed hose on the "in" pipe of your sump, and on the drain of your downflow box (the predrilled thing), stick your return pump on one end of your sump, with a hose clamped on, [plastic clamp!] and that hose running up to the tank's outflow [which is in the downflow box, go figure] Stick the durso pipe into the only hole it will fit in the downflow, and you're plumbed, except for the skimmer. Stick that in the middle sump chamber, with its pump submerged, set up the collection cup per instructions, and plug in. If you get mh lighting, you'll probably supplement with actinics: you can get it all in one fixture, with two honking great ballasts: put all that on timers. If you go T5, it's a little less expensive and you can keep most corals, except the fussiest acroporas. [Colored sticks.]

Unlike freshwater aquariums, you do not have a 1) filter 2) lid [toss the sump lids: they're worthless.

Unlike freshwater aquariums, you have lots of crawley life in 'live' rock [rock that's lived in the ocean or salt water and has bacteria galore]---that does the job of your oldfashioned filter, and does it better.

Heat buildup and maintaining an even temperature are a challenge. Lids are anathema. If you have jumping fish, you just put a gridwork of lighting panel atop. It lets air flow.

Your lights need to be about 9 inches above your tank, and it's safest to have a glass shield under the bulb, so it doesn't get hit with a splashing fish and explode, taking out your corals. If you have a glass shield, you will want a lighting fixture that has fans. This is more expensive, but it is one headache removed.
 
Thanks,
Sk8er thanks for the explanation though I am a bit lost in it all I am sure it will help me when I start working on it all.. I am going to be going around pricing some tanks and sets out tomorrow hopefully finding the best deal I can.. I am doing some online searches right now for some used tanks for sale in the area..
 
http://www.melevsreef.com/

There's a lot of good info there that will help you. I'd also read as much as you can on these forums (and not just the local forums even though you can learn a whole lot here). The more research you do, the better off you'll be (and sometimes the more confused you'll be until you just figure it out).
 
beatrixkido, I would recommend that you make it to some of the slash pizza nights and meetings to hang out with people and talk in person as well

you would benefit greatly from just looking at other people's set ups...you could explain something very simple to someone several times and not have them grasp it, where if they just looked at it once they would understand

here is the "lighting grid" on the top of my tank (former)
http://bitz.net/~latazyo/Pics/Aqua/40gsw/tanktop.JPG

here is a good thread we recently had about a simple sump plan, I approve of this set up (not that im an expert or anything)
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=851482
 
I would take a trip to any LFS and just ask them to show you there setups...Actually seeing it in person really makes a huge difference...
 
yeah.. I sent him an e-mail asking where he was located.. then I can move on to see if he would meet me half way.. I know I did my Open water Dives at Norfolk lake and Boul Shouls, AR and that was a long drive.. so that would be nice if he could meet half way.. thanks for the nice Idea..

That other tank you posted Reggae Thanks.. but I want to check out this set up first as it is more complete and would be nice for me to get started with...

I appreciate all the tips and help I have gotten so far.. :) :)
 
Welcome to SLASH! Always good to see new people! BTW; you need to make it to GWA; they have some AWESOME corals and supplies! That reminds me; Chad; my wife just checked my bank statement and wants to know where all my money is going???:eek1: Don't tell her where you're spending it...LOL
 
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