newish to reef-help w/lighting question

labatt

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Hello all, i am rather new to reef systems but have had a fish only tank for 2 years now. I just ordered a 75gal tank and all the fixins. I got a 6x65 watt power compact light w/4 10k bulbs and 2 actinic?(sorry about the spelling if its wrong) and am wondering what type of corals the light will support. Thank you for the help.
p.s- the filter that i ordered has a skimmer built in, are those effective, or should i start shopping for something else?
Thanks again.
 
almost forgot, should i paint the back of the tank or use background stuff. and what color paint/type of background would be best?Thanks
 
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Well first off, you'll be able to keep soft corals, mushrooms, zoas, some LPS. As for the filter, do you have a link to what you are talking about. Can't really say if the skimmer will be good or not if you don't have a picture or name to post. As for painting the tank, you don't have to paint it. You can use the plastic backgrounds. I believe you can use a type of Krylon paint to paint the back if you want to go that route.
 
With almost 5 watts per gallon you should be able to keep some nice soft corals. I just took this picture to show you a tank that I have that has less lighting than you do. You'll see a leather coral, two different types of plate corals, an open brain coral, a large mushroom coral, some button polyps and a REALLY nice piece of zoe rock. The VHO's were off for about 20 minutes before I took the shot, and the actinic were the only lights on until I turned the VHO's on for the shot, so the Zoes were partially closed. Theres a lot you can do with the lights you have, and it's a good way to see if you like keeping corals before diving into more expensive stuff. Some of these were transplanted from my large tank with full lighting. I noticed that the button polyps (right upper side of picture) lost a lot of their color, though they are still healthy. The mushroom coral was also transplanted from the big tank, but it is easily doing just as well. The zoes are perfect and are as nice looking as the zoes I have in my display. The open brain also does just as well under VHO's as they do under MH's.
I painted the back of this tank a medium shade of blue. Black and dark blue are also nice. This would need to be done outside and before you add water. I think a painted back looks a lot better that the stuff (junk) you tape on.
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Here is a pic fo the set up i bought off ebay, sorry that the pic sucks mine hasnt arrived yet so i borrowed it from ebay.

Here is the description the was on the site:This new Pro Clear Aquatics unit has a built in venturi Protein Skimmer. A CA 1800 pump is included with the unit to run the skimmer. Also a CA 2200 pump is included to be used as a return pump. THIS IS A COMPLETE SET UP! This filter is rated for aquariums up to 150 gallons, and flow rates of up to 600 gallons per hour. All units include Pre-Filter/Overflow Box, Spiral Flex Hose, Bio-Balls, Polishing Block Sponge, Return Hose and Return Spout. Everything needed to get the filter operational. Approximate Dimensions: 24"L x 10"W x 21"H. Capacity: 150 GAL OR 600 GPH. BIO AREA: Approximately 4.5 gallons with the sump area coming in at over 11 gallons. The attached skimmer is 20"H x 3"W, and features venturi action with an adjustable venturi valve, an effluent drain hose, and a removable collection cup for cleaning. All Aqua Clear/Pro Clear Wet Dry units carry a manufacturer's LIFETIME WARRANTY against materials and defects in workmanship.

Please let me know if you think i bought garbage or if it seems ot be a decent set up. Thanks again for all the help
 
Here is a little more on Lighting.

On the size tank you have that HOB filter should be OK but I would not use the bioballs. Having LR and a DSB are much better way to biologically filter a SW tank.
 
i was planning on using lr/ls and the bio balls to biologically filter my tank. i plan on purchasing enough ls/reg sand for a 4 inch bed and as much lr as i can afford (ive spent a lot of money all ready so i will probably have to keep it to around 40-50lbs to start) is that a good idea? Also another Q-when installing my lights should i use the legs w/no glass top on the tank or w/top.....or use a glass top and set the light directly on it?
Thanks again for all the very helpful info.
P.S.- would it be safe to add more lr after the cycle and i start to populate the tank of wait till i have enough lr the start to populate?
Thanks again.
 
labatt, Waterkeeper is referring to the concept of using live rock for your ammonia and nitrite breakdown. This is a concept you should research, and it is the only way that people with reef tanks would do it. You will learn a lot as you get farther into the hobby, and will probably change out the bio balls at some point. There is nothing wrong with what you have and is what most new aquarists start out with, and what virtually every store would set you up with. It looks like you have a nice unit for starting out, but I'm glad you have a 75 gallon tank. The unit I see in the picture and the sizes you listed will be fine for your tank, but it is considerably small for a 150 gallon tank. Some of these ratings are misleading, this one in particular. But again, it is plenty for your tank, and looks well thought out.
I read your post above and wanted to add some advice. Good sand is an important part of the biology of a salt water tank. I would suggest live sand only. It will help your tank to cycle quicker, and better, and be a much better part of your biological components. Avoid the reference to DSB, that is a completely different thing, and it either is or isn't. 4" insn't, so you would be much better served with 2 inches of live sand as opposed to 2" live and 2" sand. If you intend to add jawfish or wrasses that sleep in the sand you should consider 3 inches, but other than that 2" is fine.Some might disagree, but my 50 gallon has 1 1/2" and my 230 has 2 1/2". I even have a jawfish and a red Coris wrasse which still do fine.
Live Rock is your friend. Buy good stuff, and as much as you can, a rule of thumb is a pound per gallon. By doing this, or going to 90 pounds you could get away with removing the bio balls, as long as you add fish slowly, (but that's a topic for another day). Whatever you start with will be fine because you do have the bio balls. As to future rock, you can add as much as you want (don't go extreme and double it overnight though) as long as it is cured and you don't let it sit out of the water long enough to have microorganisms die off. If you can't avoid adding LR that has had some die off, add it slowly, a piece at a time and watch the ammonia. You can never add uncured rock to a tank that has animals in it though.
There are two schools on glass tops, and a wide ugly line between them. My 230 has glass because I have some jumpers (helfrich firefish, jawfish, ), and the lights are screwed to the underside of the top of the canopy. Glass tops and lots of light will probably require a chiller due to the heat and closed in tank. You can see a picture in my gallery. My 50 gallon has half glass. The reason is that I have a wood canopy which will not allow the use of the light legs. I took the hinged doors off the lids, so that 4" in the front of the top are open. I did this because I don't have a chiller and the lights create to much heat to leave the glass on. I use 1 1/2" PVC pipe that sits on top of the glass (that's why I'm not completely glassless) the the lights sit on the PVC. This allows air to circulate under the lights and helps keep the tank cooler. Ground your tank if you have a lidless tank because you will get mist droplets of water on your lights from the splash of the filter returns, and you could get shocked by touching a moist light housing. Hope this helps.
 
very helpful indeed, i understand the concept of the bio filtration rather well. My thoughts on it were just that can there be too much? I kind of figured that if the lr and ls were doing an adequate job, to bio balls just wouldnt populate with bacteria. And if not the balls would help share the load. I have plans to add a smaller tank top refugium as well once I get everything somewhat well established(my LFS told me that a tank top one is best because many of the beneficial critters and what not in a refugium might get chopped up in the return pump.....is this true?). As far as my lighting goes i ordered a 14" high canopy, from the looks of it, it should allow me to install the light in either way that i mentioned above. Perhaps using the legs and putting eggcrate over the tank would be best? Due to budget restrictions a chiller is out of the question ATM, unless absolutely necessary(i live in MI and have central air so enviroment shouldnt factor in much...just equipment heat). Thank you for the advice on the ls, i will follow it an purchase enough to get myself a nice 3-4" ls bed(btw, grain size....1mm or smaller?). One more thing. should i run carbon in the sump? From what ive read some do and some don't. Opinions from poeple not trying to sell me stuff are of great value to me(both of my LFS suck, one is over priced and getting sick of me telling them that the one down the street is way cheaper, and the one down the street is all about selling and no trustworthy advice). And last but hopefully not least for this post, I was thinking of getting a wavemaker like this instead of powerheads http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idproduct=WV1113 , sorry if the link doesnt click, copy and paste should though. Does anyone have any experience w/these? Or any opinions in general would be very nice. Thank you very much for your continued, and very valued advice. Ooh, BTW....very nice tanks guy :)....i can only hope that mine might look like that one day. Thanks again.
 
You can not have too much bio. The more natural your bio system is, the less you will need the bio balls. The reason I won't use them is the same for all of us. The concept is that anything that can hold debris, detritus, old food, etc. will cause Nitrates to increase. As you know, Nitrates are the enemy. I am fanatical (I shouldn't use that word as this is good husbandry) to not let debris build up. Bio balls will eventually get debris in them, and since you can't clean them, you will have an inherent piece of gear that creates Nitrate. I took out my bio balls and made a refugium out of that chamber. I also do weekly water changes and change my filter socks every three days (these are the worst for creating Nitrate) I keep 4 pair, so when I put the 4th pair in, the three dirty pair get washed. It's simple, and simple is good.
I could not put my fuge on top of the tank. If you look at pods you will see they are very small. It is my feeling, and many others, that most pods make the trip fine. I have a Mandarin that I've had for a long time, that is very healthy. My fuge is full of all kinds of small critters. I even populate my 50 gallon with water and macro from this fuge. I use a magnifying glass when I pull the water out, and it's neat to see. LOTS of little fellows swimming in there, plus the tangs love live macro. I keep 6 different kinds in my fuge. So, I do not think it's critical to put a fuge over the tank, but if you can, and make it look nice, I would do it. My son has his up top. It sits camouflaged in a trunk on top of his wall unit, looks great.
I don't think you'll need a chiller, I only mentioned it so that you'll be careful to place the lights where the least amount of heat will be transferred.
I like small grain sand. Larger stuff can have pieces that will turn brown from diatoms, and be stained by it, so that even when your diatoms go away, you'll have stained pieces. If you do jawfish, they like bigger sizes, but mine got his holes made just fine with out it.
I have no experience on wave makers. I think theres a lot of other stuff to consider before that. I have lots of different corals, and mine grow like crazy. I can honestly say that I have never had a coral die on me. Maybe others feel different about wave makers, but I don't see the need.
 
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