Niger trigger in qt has redish brown dots all over him?

[Reefahholic]

It looks like it would be ICH, but the spots/dots are redish brown instead of white. He is covered with them from head to tail. Does anybody know what this is? I can't get a pic, because he's behind the rocks. I started the fist copper tx (16 drops) to 10.5/g. The fish are in a 10 gallon qt.

 

[HumbleFish]

Could be Velvet, although those dots are typically more gold colored. But "covered with them from head to tail" sure sounds like Velvet to me. And hiding behind a rock, out of the light, is another symptom of Velvet.

Are the dots same size as Ich? Or something larger?

If this is Velvet, you need to get the copper up ASAP. A f/w dip and/or formalin bath might provide some temp relief.

 

[snorvich]

Velvet will look like a "sheen" rather than discrete "dots" but light avoidance and reclusiveness are definitely behavioral characteristics of velvet infestation. Google black ich and see if that fits what you are seeing.

 

[HumbleFish]

Google black ich and see if that fits what you are seeing.

Good call! I always forget about that...

 

[Reefahholic]

there definitely not sheen. he's dotted from head to tail like heavy ICH infestation.

ill have to google black ich.

ill see if i can find a picture of what he has.

 

[snorvich]

Diagnosis of Problems
Tiny white dots on body or fins (looks like salt)
Research:
a) Marine Ich (parasite)

Gold, brown or rust colored patches on body
Research:
a) Marine Velvet (parasite)

Tiny black dots on body or fins
Research:
a) Black Ich (parasite)

Raised white bumps on body or fins which looks lumpy
Research:
a) Lymphocystis (viral)
b) Fungal Infection in marine fish


Excessive mucus on body or gills
Research:
a) Brooklynella (parasite)
b) Marine Flukes (parasite)
c) Uronema (parasite)

Ragged, torn, or missing fins
Research:
a) Fin Rot and Tail Rot (bacterial)
b) Marine Ich (parasite)
c) Ammonia Poisoning in marine fish
d) Uronema (parasite)
e) Brooklynella (parasite)

Cloudy eye(s)
Research:
a) Marine Velvet (parasite)
b) Fin Rot and Tail Rot (bacterial)
c) Marine Ich (parasite)
d) Marine Flukes (parasite)
e) Bacterial Infection in marine fish
f) Brooklynella (parasite)

Holes or pits on face, head, or lateral line
Research:
a) Head and Lateral Line Errosion "HLLE"

Fuzzy white or brown patches on body or fins
Research:
a) Fungal Infection in marine fish
b) Columnaris (bacterial)

Open sores or lesions on body
Research:
a) Marine Flukes (parasite)
b) Brooklynella (parasite)
c) Bacterial Infection in marine fish
d) Uronema

Raised or missing scales
Research:
a) Dropsy (bacterial)
b) Bacterial Infection in marine fish

Stringy thread-like attachments on anus
Research:
a) Thread worms (parasite)


Stringy thread-like attachments on body
Research:
a) Anchor worms (parasite)

Fish is scratching on rocks or substrate
Research:
a) Marine Ich (parasite)
b) Marine Velvet (parasite)
c) Marine Flukes (parasite)
d) Anchor worms (parasite)

Fish is rapidly breathing or gasping
Research:
a) Marine Velvet (parasite)
b) Brooklynella (parasite)
c) Marine Flukes (parasite)
d) Bacterial Infection in marine fish
e) Ammonia Poisoning in marine fish
f) Marine Ich (parasite)
g) Uronema (parasite)

Fish is lethargic and/or hiding
Research:
a) Marine Velvet (parasite)
b) Head and Lateral Line Errosion "HLLE"
c) Dropsy (bacterial)
d) Bacterial Infection in marine fish

Fish is swimming erratically
Research:
a) Marine Ich (parasite)
b) Marine flukes (parasite)

Fish is twitching
Research:
a) Marine flukes (parasite)

 

[Reefahholic]

Wow great info!

Well I can't see the dots like yesterday. He was covered in them yesterday. The copper must be working.

Here's a pic.



Thoughts??

 

[HumbleFish]

Kind of hard to tell what's on him and what's on the glass. But what I see doesn't look anything like Turbellarians (Black Ich).

 

[Reefahholic]

Kind of hard to tell what's on him and what's on the glass. But what I see doesn't look anything like Turbellarians (Black Ich).

went home just a minute ago from work and looked at him with flashlight and he's got the dots all over him again, but not quite as many. this time, they are more white like ICH. They are definetely raised and on top of the skin. last night they weren't there. Also, one of my clowns is broke out in ich now. must be ich, but im still not sure it's not velvet with the redish brown dots. i wish i would have had my phone on me so i could have taken a picture. ill try to get a good one in the morning. hopefully the dots are still on him. looked just like specs of sand or ICH.

 

[snorvich]

Again, while ich comes and goes, velvet would basically take out your tank in this time frame.

 

[MrTuskfish]

You may be losing precious time. Velvet or ich; either can be cured with copper.

 

[Reefahholic]

Again, while ich comes and goes, velvet would basically take out your tank in this time frame.

They aren't dead yet, so hopefully it's just ICH.

 

[Reefahholic]

You may be losing precious time. Velvet or ich; either can be cured with copper.

I got copper at .40 right now.

Where is the best level to keep it at?

 

[HumbleFish]

I got copper at .40 right now.

Where is the best level to keep it at?

If Cupramine, 0.40 is a good level. Just don't let it dip below 0.35.

 

[Reefahholic]

ok...Thanks!

update...The trigger died, but everybody else has survived and doing well except my v puffer. he hasnt started to eat yet, but is cruzing the tank and his spots are gone.