Nitrate and maybe other issues with seahorse tank.

Kylieeastley

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Thank you in advance, it is such a privilege to be able to come to a forum such as this and expect people who do not know me, and will likely get nothing in return, to help :)

Likely some of the issues I have to date are no longer impacting, but will post all in case, I have read many many other threads, so will try to give all the dets I think are required.

Purchased brand new (so no previous things growing in) mini reef 90, came with sump, skimmer and all the hardware in October 2015.
Approx 2 inches sand at the bottom.
We live in a rural area - rain water, at the time, we had water from the creek in the tanks. - a white coating over glass when water was added made me suspicious of calcium in the water. - testing confirmed this.
We then used straight rain water (stored in a different tank)
Approx 4kg of live rock was added approx a week later - but didn't seem to be an issue.
The tank had cycled the water, and the located pet store suggested the levels were fine to add some stock.

Added a snail that mostly lives under the sand, a couple other snails and couple of hermit crabs early December 2016
A week later the two snails had died. I did a major water change Using water from a different tank, 3 changes of approx 25 litres over a week, and the levels all looked good, and so I added two seahors s, and a couple more snails.
The two seahorses did excellent (one was pregnant, gave birth, and then had more babies early January). After some Medium high nitrate tests, testing of the straight water showed high Amonia in the rain water. - in fact higher then in the tank. A few water changes with town water (collected from a relatives house) amd assuming the uissue was fixed, I then added a couple of shrimps.
The shrimps died within about a week.
Ok, so invertebrates not liking the higher nitrate levels, and continuing weekly water changes of 25 litres, I added, in later December, a spotted mandarin, two yellow fish (gobies?). We lost one yellow fish after a fe days. The other continues to do well, though has gone a bit orange?
The mandarins sadly dissapeared, to show up later on the ground behind the tank (there is a app on 3cm gap at the end of the lid). Realising that at the change of tank water to town water, I had forgotten that the water would need treating, I rushed into pet shop and purchased water conditioner, treated the water, and a week later purchased two more snails and two more seahorses (mid January) have continued to treat new water, and have treated existing water couple times.

Second lot of seahorse, one was pregnant, and so I have also been keeping tubed hatching brine shrimp and seahorse nursery in the tank for past couple weeks (and for short time after the first hatch).

There is currently a lot of excess from baby seahorse nursery going out (have been lots die, lots excess shrimp going out etc) currently 6 baby seahorses two weeks old, and all 4 adult seahorses doing excellent, yellow fish doing excellent, what I call the racing snail (under sand snail) continues to do well.

Also at the time of last seahorses, I added some plant, and two more snails, snails died within days, and the plant appears to be dying off.
Also massive algae bloom. That I assume is related to all the excess food from baby seahorses.

Ammonia, ph, and nitrite levels all good, recent nitrate at least 40, maybe closer to 80, prior to that would be regularly 20

The early dates and order of things may not be exact, but I do recall issues despite the normal tests all being Om (nitrates about 20 just before water changes), and there was some suggestion of there being other issues with the water, perhaps chemicals etc, this was prior to changing to town water.
Since changing to town water, and treating, I have done about 4 x 25 litre water changes, yet can not keep snails alive, and now the plants are dying, yet I did read plants help keep nitrates down.

So, my question is, what would be the best way to manage the nitrates while I have the baby seahorses in as well - so there will continue to be excess food through the system

Is it likely the nitates are to blame for most of the above issues?

And are the rest of my assumptions correct (ie algae being due to high nitrates, plant dying etc)

And as the seahorses seem to be thriving (it looks like both males have growing pouches again) - is it as mug an issue as I think - maybe I should not worry about keeping shrimps and snails as well?

Thank you
 
^ agreed
I would have your local fish store check for calcium, ph, copper, etc. Copper is in alot of tap waters, and although fish can deal with it a little better, snails, coral, and crustaceans like shrimp and crabs will not tolerate it.
And crabs etc. Need high ph and calcium to shed skin and grow new ones :3

What's your salinity?

I have chaeto in my tank and it works wonders for nitrates, but I still have to do water changes more often since I started in the hole (80 + nitrates) at my first water change :sad2:

If the plant looks very bad, I would remove it, no sense in letting it rot. But if it looks like it can recover, then maybe leave it until it looks really bad xD
 
Thank you, will follow up on copper, ph is fine (between 8.2 and 8.4) salinity varies between 025 and 026
Will google the above mentioned chaeto (never heard of it)

Will try and reduce size / take smaller pics of plants, they not fully dead, and look like they may recover if I can fix what is killing them
 
Cropped plant pic
 

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This sounds like a water problem, made worse by the amount of food the seahorses need. It sounds like you have a somewhat unusual situation, being on rain or creek water, which can cause problems as you have seen. Does your pet shop have RO water? Do you have a skimmer or anything else for nutrient export?
 
Thank you, copper test has shown 0 copper
Yes, tank "Inbuilt filtration system eliminates unsightly piping running from outside of tank to filter unit.
Comes with an Aqua One Filter Sock.The included protein skimmer is designed toeasily and effectively remove organic waste from aquarium water. The needle wheel impeller reduces bubbles size, increasing contact area between air and water, maximising efficiency. Simple accurate control allows you to adjust the output quickly and easily. The result is cleaner, clearer and healthier aquarium inhabitants." (Taken from tank description)
 
I think chaeto in the sump would help with lowering your nitrates, but you need a light over the sump. Nothing too strong like a Normal house light bulb keeps mine going.

It lowered mine by 20Ish in 2 weeks, it's also great for hiding pods :D

I could also mention mangroves, I put them in the back of my HOB filter and they grow lots, and probably help with nitrates as well.


( that plant looks about dead by now it could be fouling up your water too)
 
Only issue with using plants to lower nitrates is that the plant died, so I assume if I buy more plants without changing some hing else first - they will die.
 
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