Nitrate Reduction 101 with sugar!!!

After dosing with maple syrup for 34 days, my NO3 and PO4 read ZERO!!!! After 3 years this is an amazing relief. I am a little disappointed in my LFS (they are experienced established hobbyist), never suggesting this option (some did say vodka), but knowledge is power and I thank you all for being a part of this awesome site. When I first started into this bobby in 2006, everyone told me I would encounter NO3 problems, but 2 1/2 years in, I never had any NO3 problems. Life happened and I walked away for 2 years, since I've started back up, I've not been able to get the NO3 or PO4 under control. It has been a non stop nightmare, to the point, I was just about ready to move my interest to a planted freshwater tank (still think I'm going to have one). We are happy to start purchasing corals, and look forward to the challenges which may present themselves through that aspect of the hobby (any heads up is appreciated). I am currently watching to see if a natural process takes over in my tank, and how long it takes before my water parameters start to become dysfunctional again if no natural process take place, I'm hoping for a natural process to take over. I don't think sugar is a danger over long term use, but I'm just guessing and rather have the natural process take place. I read a lot of debate and herd many suggestions for alternative option, and I thank you all for taking your time and being a part of this thread. My two cents is as follows; most everyone has sugar in their home, if you are or if you ever have encountered this war against NO3, PO4, and you wish to progress in this hobby, you have found a sound option. You owe the inhabitants which are kept confined for your entertainment, the best quality of life possible. Now that my NO3 and PO4 are under control, I am going to observe, and try to figure out a more natural way to prevent having to use any alternatives outside the natural symbiotic atmosphere of my tank. One thing I've had to come to terms with is, Protein Skimmers are a must.but I learned it's not hard to make one either, (in my frustrations I bought an expensive skimmer), I made a really good skimmer that was good enough for a 29gal. for less than $10.00. I went to a children's store and found a toy ($3.24), (since, I have found that the same piece can be found at Lowes, for less than a $ and bigger options are available), that attached two, two liter bottles together too symbolized a tornado/hurricane (one bottle would need to be filled with water), what I did was cut the ends off of the two liter bottles, inserted a piece of PVC pipe that fit snug in the opening of the two liter bottle, that sat above the water line, next, I inserted an air hose (depending on length .50 cents), through the bottom of the two liter bottle that sat below the water line, I then attached a lime wood air stone ($3.24), to the air line, and placed it in the water column (positioning so that the bubbles went up inside the bottom of the two liter bottle), than I attached an air pump with an air control valve (price not included), then I rigged a way for it to keep upright in the corner of the tank. My only flaw to this design was the collection cup, which consisted only of the top two liter bottle. When I needed to empty the collection cup (every night), it wasn't efficient and took a lot of readjusting and positioning when reattaching. Looking back I should have lengthened the PVC pipe that was centered at the opening of the top two liter bottle, and fabricated an easier to remove collection cup. It wasn't pretty either, but it worked. If I was a young poor individual who wanted to have a saltwater tank, I believe I could, and give it the proper husbandry for only a little more than what it costs to take care of a freshwater tank (minus the cost of it's inhabitants which can vary from $3.-$1000's. I hope I have given some experience, strength, and hope to someone else.
 
I dosed my tank (275 actual gallons) with about 2-1/2 tbsp of plain white sugar yesterday evening around 8pm. I probably should have used a little less.:confused: Today at 4pm I noticed that my purple tip anemone was shriveled up and dead.:headwallblue: My water was also a little cloudy. My fish, crabs and snails seem fine. It was just the anemone that had a problem with this process. Again, perhaps I dosed to strong for a starting dose...even with a tank this big. I did not redose today and think that I may try just 1 tbsp tomorrow. It depends on if the water clears up a little more or not. I've been having issues with the nitrates being up in the 60-80ppm range. All other parameters look good. Nitrites, ammonia, calcium, phosphate. It's just the dang nitrates! Reading your post gives me hope that I can get them down. Thanks for posting.:thumbsup:
 
Picture of day two after initial high dosing of sugar. If I had done a tad bit more research, I think I would have went with vodka/vinegar dosing instead. Live and learn.:headwalls:
 

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Day 3 and my tank is clear. Redosed with just a teaspoon of sugar for the 275 gallons and will keep an eye on my tank. If no cloudiness appears, I'll continue the teaspoon everyday and little by little transition to a small vodka dose to maintain lower nitrate levels. Nitrates have dropped about 10-15 ppm thus far. I don't want to eliminate the nitrates altogether though as it seems that most of my coral do like some nitrates in the tank.:D
 
Randy, because I can't send you a pm, could you give me a quick rundown of vinegar dosing? Its something I'm interested in but have never done it before. I have an extra dosing pump sitting around that I think it would work for that if need be in the future.

Don't mean to hijack the thread so if you could post in my build thread or shoot me a pm I would really appreciate it. Thanks!
 
Maple Syrup damn that guy is brave. I highly suggest vinegar but I'm glad it worked for him. I got a cool story to tell now at least.:thumbsup:
 
Out of curiosity, when dosing with vinegar, doesn't that have the potential to lower PH by increasing acidity? Or are we talking such minute amounts that there doesn't appear to be any change? Also, if there were a drop in PH, could kalk help bring it back up?
I'm on day 4 now and the tank is clear. Dosed just a 3/4 teaspoon sugar with one little capfull of vodka. Nitrates have gone down a little bit. According to my API test kit, by nearly 20ppm in 4 days. Considering I was around 80ppm if not higher...I'd say I'm very excited about the whole sugar dosing thing working!
 
Ive been osing vidka for about 2 weeks. IMO it works better that sugar since it removed 100ppm nitrates to <15 ppm and its still lowering. Sps, lps, softies, fish, inverts, and polyps were unaffected in I believe all aquariums it has been tryed. IMO, a true and tried method. Plus it has more a history in aquaria than sugar.
 
Carbon is good.

Carbon is good.

I like the carbon dosing. Every time I give a dose to my tank I see that same reaction from my corals as when I put their food in the tank. They all puff up and appear to be feeding; their color becomes more brilliant as well. I assume that all the unseen organisms are thriving the same in the tank. I only dose if my nitrate levels are over 20, about every other month. The week after dosing I test for nitrates only and see a decrease typically by about half the first reading. I have 17 colonies of coral in my 200 liter (it is a Japanese made tank ~55 gal) nano tank with (10) Acans, (1) Gonipora, (1) Duncan, (2) Lobos, (1) Favite, and (1) Chalice; some shrimp, some fish, serpent star, some snails, and dwarf hermit crabs. These coral have all grown in size over the last year for me using this method in this tank. I started off testing my water every week or more and now I test my water every two weeks; last test, Nitrates 20ppm (high side), 34 salinity, 440ppm calcium, 1440ppm magnesium, PH 8.0. I went to two week intervals because the only measurement that ever changed was nitrates because I already dose for calcium (more) and magnesium (less). It is easier than it seems and no fancy commercial stuff to buy.

Happy Reefing.:beer:
 
I'm cycling still, I even had a dead mouse in my pump I didn't see till he exploded, into my tank. 5 years in a storage unit. My cycle is near done but nitrates are still a bit high, I have two snails in there that are never going to die. I ordered snails that ship Monday. But I will try it for personal knowledge. It won't be the worst thing that happened with this set up for sure. And I know this setup will thrive in the future. Sounds old school
 
Well I added 3 tsp of sugar to my 125, I dissolved it in a cup of ro. Dumped it in en nothing that day. Yesterday got super cloudy and my skimmer was about 2" deep. Dumped it out then it skimmed crazy bubbles and filled my cup soi dumped it again this morning and now I'm half back to clear. I am not testing again till it clears up.
 
IMO and IME cloudy is bad. Granted you are cycling but the cloudy ate away at all my O2 and I almost lost everything about 2 years ago.
 
It has cleared up nearly all the way now, I probably won't be doing this regularly anyways, I was just bored waiting and only have 2 snails and the rest of this winter for experiments and cycling. Right now I'd only be out some salt if I had to fully drain it. So the sugar will effect o2. What about vodka or viniger will they also effect o2 or something different?
 
All carbon dosing will effect the O2. The carbon dosing gives the bacteria energy to reproduce and be really active. Well they will rob the tank of O2 if they are in too abundant of a quantity.

That is why you will notice most do a slow, little amount, of dosing. The cloud signifies, normally, that they are in such a mass quantity that they are obstructing your view through the water.
 
My nitrates are also off the charts. I have a 65 tall reef and have done 50 gallons of water changes in the last 30 days. I keep detailed logs of everything about my tank. I have not been able to control my phosphates or nitrates. I have found the sugar dosing on many different sites and have heard many good things about it and have not read anything bad. So tonight I have added my first 1/4 tsp of sugar to see if this really works. I will I turn post my findings and status as this experiment as I call it for now continues.
 
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