MatthewLaw
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i am considering putting a good amount of rock in the sump and only the larger piece in the DT; more room for the fish to swim around. something to consider! nice thread!
No Live Rock in the Display?
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therealfatman
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Fish and excess feeding cause detritus problems not the nooks and crannies. I have many, many SPS tanks without fish and there are no detritus problems. I also have huge amounts of water movement from double closed loop systems in each display tank.
luther1200
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Its not a bad idea if your into that kind of tank, but personaly I like the rock work part of it almost as much as the coral and fish.
scottallert
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or we can use tanks with no lights and have no algae problems
therealfatman
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I have large corals so what few live rocks that are in my tank are not even very visible. I do not keep fish with my stoney corals as I dont not want to deal with their filth. The last fish I kept other than Copper Bands were predator fish (Volitans and Morays) kept with just enough live rock as to give a bit of natural appearance and provide hiding spaces for the Morays. In those tank I also grew Macro Algae (like weeds).
For the past couple of years, I've been thinking about doing something along these lines of no rock in the display - basically having it all in the sump / fuge.
The display would be a large set (or single) coral head such as a slimer, or other branching SPS coral and pretty much pound the tank with damsels or chromis.
Granted, it would be different looking and completely out of the norm, but it would be cool to see if someone's already done this...
The display would be a large set (or single) coral head such as a slimer, or other branching SPS coral and pretty much pound the tank with damsels or chromis.
Granted, it would be different looking and completely out of the norm, but it would be cool to see if someone's already done this...
ctenophors rule
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lol
i completely agree.
1. taking away live rock takes away invaluable biodiversity (what many believe the loss of allows the old rock to start leaching chemicals, so try seeding old rock with a nex chunk of rock, shashed to bits w/ a hammer!)
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ctenophors rule
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lol
i completely agree.
1. taking away live rock takes away invaluable biodiversity (what many believe the loss of allows the old rock to start leaching chemicals, so try seeding old rock with a nex chunk of rock, shashed to bits w/ a hammer!)
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ctenophors rule
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lol
i completely agree.
1. taking away live rock takes away invaluable biodiversity (what many believe the loss of allows the old rock to start leaching chemicals, so try seeding old rock with a nex chunk of rock, shashed to bits w/ a hammer!)
half the fun of having a tank is observing all the cool critters that hitched a ride into your tank. yearsd after your tank has been set up, you notice a bright red and blue sponge slowly encrusting from around your rock work....priceless.
also, biological diversity is the large ammount of different species and strains of organisms, most importantly the decomposers, bacteria, and archaebacteria.(imo) when you are left with only a few thousand species, as apposed to million, what are the odds that some of the organisms that were out breed, were more efficient??? no what makes you think that the less efficient bacterium can cope with your bioload, as well as the slower reproducing, but more efficient ones???
2. algae turf scrubbers.
if algae grows because it is able to get the nutrient before filtration, then grow some algae specificaly in a seperate tank.
much cheaper, less bulky, and imo more aestheticaly pleaseing, than a large sump full of live rock, to compensate for a barren tank.
3. the expression your friends have on their face when you tell them you speant 500$ on "living rock" that doesn't even move!
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ctenophors rule
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lol
i completely agree.
1. taking away live rock takes away invaluable biodiversity (what many believe the loss of allows the old rock to start leaching chemicals, so try seeding old rock with a nex chunk of rock, shashed to bits w/ a hammer!)
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ctenophors rule
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why cant i post correctly?
i just tried posting, then it automaticaly, in mid type, posted.
i clicked edit, wrote a long negating debate style argument, and it didn't post.
now the world will never see my amazing response!
lol
any ideas, any one else have that problem, sorry for the form hyjacking, anyway i figured i could rewrite, with less effort than before, my entire response here.
biological diversity is the high ammount of different strains and species of organisms. if you first set up a tank fith 5 different types of bacteria or archaebacteria (most important decomposeres, imo) (also major understantement) 1 is highly efficient but slow reproducing.
2 are meduim efficiency, and medium reproduction. the last 2 are super fat breeders, that are very inefficient.
what will happen when the efficient bacteria are outbred? will the ineficient bacteria be able to cope with the same level of nutrients as the more efficient one? of course not!
also half the fun is peering into your 5+ yr old tank and seeing a bright red or blue sponge encrusting its way around one of your rocks, or a new bright green worm slipping out of a whole for some food.
2. algae turf scrubbers.
if algae grows because nutrients are available before proper filtration can remove them, than why not have a seperate algae chamber, as apposed to a seperate live rock chamber?
the live rock would fill with detritus anyway no matter what, eventualy, and you will not be able to get it all out.
an algae turf scrubber will be smaller, cheaper, more efficient, and (imo) more aestheticaly pleasing, thena big sump full of rock to acomadate a barren dt.
just realised my biodiversity part doesnt realy apply sise the rock would strill be in the system, but sinse i wrote it twice i will leave it. (god, i was so happy when i started writing this.....)
i just tried posting, then it automaticaly, in mid type, posted.
i clicked edit, wrote a long negating debate style argument, and it didn't post.
now the world will never see my amazing response!
lol
any ideas, any one else have that problem, sorry for the form hyjacking, anyway i figured i could rewrite, with less effort than before, my entire response here.
biological diversity is the high ammount of different strains and species of organisms. if you first set up a tank fith 5 different types of bacteria or archaebacteria (most important decomposeres, imo) (also major understantement) 1 is highly efficient but slow reproducing.
2 are meduim efficiency, and medium reproduction. the last 2 are super fat breeders, that are very inefficient.
what will happen when the efficient bacteria are outbred? will the ineficient bacteria be able to cope with the same level of nutrients as the more efficient one? of course not!
also half the fun is peering into your 5+ yr old tank and seeing a bright red or blue sponge encrusting its way around one of your rocks, or a new bright green worm slipping out of a whole for some food.
2. algae turf scrubbers.
if algae grows because nutrients are available before proper filtration can remove them, than why not have a seperate algae chamber, as apposed to a seperate live rock chamber?
the live rock would fill with detritus anyway no matter what, eventualy, and you will not be able to get it all out.
an algae turf scrubber will be smaller, cheaper, more efficient, and (imo) more aestheticaly pleasing, thena big sump full of rock to acomadate a barren dt.
just realised my biodiversity part doesnt realy apply sise the rock would strill be in the system, but sinse i wrote it twice i will leave it. (god, i was so happy when i started writing this.....)
ctenophors rule
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i am very confused, and the server wont let me delete.....atleast i bulked up your threrad
MatthewLaw
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so basically like a lot of rubble of LR?
saltwatercityma
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Interesting idea, but I have to say I come at tanks from the other side. For me the set up is show off the fish , I look at coral as a way to highlight fish and their behavior. So live rock in invaluable -both for the filtration and the shelter it provides fish. When I look at BB tanks I can't help but feel that something is missing.
Rouselb
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Kinda, just take large pieces of LR and place them somewhat flat in the tank. Then use smaller ones around the perimeter. When its done you really have something similar to an ocean floor. Each rock that you placed flat has a different thickness, so its not completely flat. Its primarily for an SPS dominate tank.
Both of my systems contain(ed) little to no liverock in the tank and a small amount in the sump. Similar threads
