non reef, basic newb photog stuff

Altpers0na

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the mrs and i are taking an electronic media class..

got the nice spiffy new nikon d3000(?) to use in the class.

so far, i really like her cannon p/s, so much easier..


anyway, this week is depth of field and golden hour pics

here are my first dof attempts..

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ok, there they are, critique em pls, its ok if your brutal... i can take it

im not overly sure how to get anymore background blur w/out another lens (i just have the one.. (for now) )


which one is my A+ shot
 
I think you'll find you get much better examples of DOF when the first subject is much closer to the lens when you take the shot. Try getting as close as you can to the closest subject, then see what happens. Are you using a tripod? If not I would. You could be introducing softness that is not related to DOF. Also, to get max DOF stopped down at F22 you likely will have a slow shutter speed that will necesitate the use of a tripod (or using a timer with the camera sitting on something...not handheld). Also be sure you set the lens to manual focus, then focus on something and leave it. Change only the aperature (F stop) and Shutter speed to keep the exposure the same. (that camera should have something called "aperture priority". That will allow you tos et the F stop and it will automatically set the shutter speed for you to keep the exposure the same.

This actually was handheld, but wide open. I was only inches away from the phone. You can even see how shallow the DOF was on the blanket it was sitting on.

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Hello,

I'm not sure but what was the subject on the grass shots? :) Were you trying to focus on the dandelion? On those two sequences, my advice is to GET CLOSE! It strengthens the composition and emphasizes the subject. Keep trying- this is the best thing about digital! Just remember to always get close.

There is a saying in photography: "If your pictures are not good enough, you're not close enough." I think it's true. :)

I am looking at your exif data, and it looks like you're stuck shooting at ISO 100. I suggest moving up to ISO 200 (noise is negligible at this point) and try to get as much shutter speed as you can. Most of your shots are at 1/15 and 1/40. You want to shoot at the highest SS you can to minimize blur, especially when handholding.

Try to get closer.. your 55-200's min focus is around 4-5 ft @ 200mm. Rack all the way to 200, open up to f5.6, and isolate the ball against the background. Shoot low and compose tight.. that's my suggestion. Nothing too fancy :)

have fun
 
As it stands I would give this project a D. The “shallow depth of field” grass shots missed the mark. Depth of field, or DOF, is a phenomenon affected by 1) distance between lens and focus point, 2) focal length of lens (20mm vs. 50mm), 3) Aperture of lens. I assume you know what aperture is because in the field shots you used wide and the baseball you used narrow.

In your open field pictures it appears the camera was aimed at the ground, focus button pushed down halfway for focus lock, then the camera was aimed forward and the shot was taken. Instead of creative DOF, this would fall under the category of "missed focus". The part of the photograph in sharp focus, which you are isolating from the rest of the picture with blurred DOF, isn’t even in the photograph.

Here is one of the first shots I took with my 40D hours after I bought it, specifically to test DOF:
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Important to note there is a specific plane of focus in the middle with the before and after blurred out of recognition. This is no contest winning photograph, but it does demonstrate DOF with a half-way interesting subject. Each of three berry bunches fall into a separate focus plane: foreground, focus, and background.
Place your hand directly in front of your face and focus on your fingers. Notice that the room behind your fingers becomes blurry. This is depth of field. DOF has been all around you all your life but you don’t usually notice the blur because that is NOT what you are focusing on. The only difference with a photograph is that you can stare directly at the blurry part. You want to focus your camera on something worth staring at and use the DOF to blur away the distracting things that are not worth staring at.

The baseball shot was obviously going for a wide depth of field, and you achieved it. That said the ball isn't any more interesting than out of focus grass. Look around town for a statue, nice car, or stunning flower. Find a subject that will produce an interesting result. Think of yourself as a viewer of the image as opposed to the taker of the image. What would make you want to look at that picture of a baseball? I bet you could fit 100 of those baseballs in that image side by side. That means the part of the image you want your audience to look at only takes up 1% of the image. 99% of that picture is wasted space.

The main thing you need to take away from this assignment is being cautions of backgrounds. In your examples I would have switched the rolls of the images: wide DOF for grass, shallow DOF for the ball. The house, shed, lawnmower, air conditioner, recycling bin, and bird feeder all distract from the baseball. In order to take focus away from the background, you could use a small DOF.

With the grass shot, there isn't anything else in the shot but grass. Since the grass was your subject, and it takes up the whole picture, this would be a good candidate for a wide DOF. Don’t forget to crop off the fence, tree stump, and other distracting elements at the top. Editing your images will be a huge part of this class.

Also notice the brightness level of the baseball images steadily drops through the series. That is a subject for another lesson but you should be aware of it.

EDIT: A sunset with trees in the foreground with the sun and tree silhouette in focus would be a good wide DOF subject. Don't just set your camera to a wide or narrow aperture and take a picture of the first thing you see. You won't learn anything and your teacher will be dissapointed. Photography teachers don't dislike anything more than students taking a picture of the first thing they see to complete an assignment with as little effort as possible. You need to think about WHY a picture should have wide or narrow DOF. Which would IMPROVE the image? If you don't use critical thinking on these assignments, you won't learn anything in this class.
 
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thanks for the replies

the dandy lion was the focus in the grass shots... heh

we havent covered the ISO stuff yet, or i missed that day..

my mrs did hers much closer, and did get much better blurring, but the focus was tricky.

i/we are using a tripod.

i had many more shot than i posted, those were just the creme of the crop, :lol:

so far my methodology is take every combination of ss/fstop untill things start to come together..

i dont recall our prof saying "for dof use the highest ss" thats good to know..

iv already turned in one of the dandylion pics, but i can turn in something else if i get one better..

thanks for the help :)
 
two more,

setting the ss as far as the light will allow.

todays biggest problem was the lower height limit on the tripod, otherwise, i could have gotten more of the statuary body in the frame.

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ALT - statue shot is MUCH better!! You're off and running! Man, when I was first starting I threw away so many slides it was incredible. As stated Digital is fantastic for being ale to just shoot and shoot to learn. Set your shot, lock the focus (set to manual once your locked on), then adjust your aperature (F stop) taking the same shot over and over. Unlike when I need to write down my parameters and image number on an index card and compare slides, you can just scroll thru them on the computer and compare shots and alll the respective data!! Much easier!
 
it was expensive....and time consuming. Lol, still is expensive, time consuming, the order has just changed :).
 
Ahhh much, much, much better!
Shutter speed affects "camera shake", which is an unrelated blurring phenomenon to depth of field. Unless you are being incredibly artsy, camera shake is almost always a bad thing. The lower your shutter speed, the more camera shake you will encounter.

Think of your still frame camera as a camcorder. Your shutter speed is how long the camera takes a video of what you see, and then it blends everything together in 1 frame. If you are taking a picture for 5 seconds, any side to side movement of the camera itself will be recorded in the shot. Even with a tripod, wind or mechanical functioning of the camera itself can cause visible distortion. If you are pressing the shutter release with your finger, your hand will undoubtedly move the camera to some degree while shooting. This is why photographers sometimes attach cables to their camera with a shutter button on the end.

In your statue shot, the shutter was only open for 1/2000 of a second. So your "video" was only captured during that tiny, tiny, tiny amount of time. Less time to record the picture = less time for the camera to move around and blur everything. Now 1/2000 was overkill but that isn't a bad thing. Your camera has a "1.5x crop sensor". We can get into what that actually means later but a general rule is 100mm focal length on 35mm film requires a 1/100 shutter speed. Your 1.5x crop sensor would follow the rule 100mm focal length requires a 1/150 shutter speed. The actual minimum shutter speed will vary from person to person. Marine scout snipers can probably get away with a much slower shutter speed than someone who can't draw a straight line, but this is a good gauge for most of us.

Your statue shots were shot at 45mm and 55mm, so ~50x1.5= 1/75. Without a tripod, 1/75 would be the lowest recommended shutter speed at or around 50mm. Using a much higher shutter speed, such as 1/2000, is just fine but isn't necessary for static objects. If you have to raise your ISO or use a wider aperture than you want to achieve this, much of that excess shutter speed can be safely sacrificed.
 
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thanks again for the feedback.

all i did was find the iso and up it to 200, and find the highest ss i could and still get a visible picture.

anything else was all the camera..
 
Ummmm one thing that just dawned on me...you are doing a DOF project in shutter priority mode. Holy Cats! Because shutter speed does not directly effect DOF, I recommend you switch to Aperture Priority mode or "A" on your camera mode dial and "Av" on your wife's.

You were changing the shutter speed to change the aperture. While this did work on your trial run, as soon as you throw ISO into the mix that method will not work anymore. In the last two statue shots manual mode was used, and this is the place you really want to be for static subjects IMO.
 
from what iv seen so far, in sp i can change shutter / aperture /zoom/focus.
from manual i can change shutter/aperture/zoom/focus

its sorta hard to tell a difference.

took more pics in class today.. will post em later..
 
the new stuff

up first is our in class pics, dof front focus and rear focus.

then three people, focus in the middle, not great.... now, i know we were setting it up wrong..

the last is a keyboard, focus in the middle.


the rest are trying to get flowing water to get misty or whatever that effect is called. they are better than my last water attempts with the garden hose... but not alot.

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from what iv seen so far, in sp i can change shutter / aperture /zoom/focus.
from manual i can change shutter/aperture/zoom/focus

its sorta hard to tell a difference.

took more pics in class today.. will post em later..

When you take a photograph there are 3 main aspects that control it. ISO is one corner, Shutter Speed another, and last but not least Aperture. Think of these as a triangle. All of the angles must equal 180 degrees. If you change the values of any angle, you must equally change the values of 1 or both of the other angles to compensate.

Aperture is a measure of the lens' diameter compared to the focal length. The pupils of your eye dilate to change their aperture. In the dark, your pupils will become larger to let in more light. When you step into the bright sun, they will close because there is more light than they need. Your own depth of field changes as this happens whether you are aware of it or not. Being a primary influence on depth of field, the value your lens' aperture is set to should be very importiant to you.

Shutter Speed is a measure of time in seconds or fractions of a second, representing how long a photo is taken.

ISO speed
determines how sensitive your camera sensor is to the light which hits it. If the light entering the camera isn't enough to properly light the given scene, a high ISO speed will amplify the signal to make it brighter. Some information is lost in transition which shows up as noise, or speckles all over the image. Many “night vision” goggles work using equivalent methods.

In shutter priority, the camera will change the shutter speed as you click your selector wheel to the left or right. Because the shutter is open for a different amount of time, one of three things must happen:
A) change the aperture
B) change the ISO speed
C) do nothing and the brightness of the photo will change accordingly

Lets take a look at your baseball pictures which obviously change brightness as they go. The sun was relatively constant in the amount of light it provided so your camera must have done this on its own:
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Aperture:f/10
Shutter:1/30
ISO:100
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Aperture:f/20
Shutter:1/15
ISO:100
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Aperture:f/25
Shutter:1/15
ISO:100

One of the major focuses of this exercise is creatively controlling your aperture, and I bet you didn't even realize it was bouncing around from f/20 to f/25.
*Shutter priority uses the shutter speed you select and pics whatever value it wants for aperture.
*Aperture priority uses the aperture you select and pics whatever value it wants for the shutter speed.
*Full manual mode uses the shutter speed you select, the aperture you select, and the ISO you select. It doesn't make the big decisions for you. ISO is constant in the other two modes unless you have "auto ISO" selected. This grants you even less control. DSLRs are all about control. You should ween yourself out of the priority modes and into manual mode. Use the priority modes when the light is rapidly changing and it is hard to keep up with metering. Typically, the brightness in a scene is relatively constant and you can set the exposure and forget it. If you had used manual mode, your baseball pictures wouldn't have been different brightnesses.

So you can nudge the aperture in the general direction you want to go with shutter priority. You can also take off from a stop sign in 3rd gear because you don't want to accelerate too fast, but why *would* you? In fact, I recommend you stay away from shutter priority all together. Controlling DOF is an importiant subject and you should be conscious of it always. Aperture priority is, in my opinion, a much more practical medium. With static objects, such as your statue, the depth of field could play a huge role with the shutter speed really doesn't matter unless it is so low you are getting camera shake.
The only time shutter priority is better than aperture priority is if you want a slow shutter speed. In your river scene you wanted very specific slow shutter speed to blend the water. This is the "video" effect where every drop that splashes over a rock is recorded like video and then blended together in one blurry frame. Shutter priority would be a good choice for that shot.
If you are taking a picture of a moving object and you want a fast shutter speed, shutter priority is *not* the best choice. Think about it. If the widest possible aperture will produce the fastest possible shutter speed, select the widest possible aperture. You will get the fastest shutter speed every time.
 
ty for the input


, and I bet you didn't even realize it was bouncing around from f/20 to f/25.

i was actively changing my aperture and ss setting.

i only posted the pics that came out the best, out of bout thirty? of the baseball..

i would increment the shutter, take a pic, adjust the aperture or the shutter, rinse n repeat..
 
more homework pics

my mrs 'golden hour' shot
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mrs pic of our gargoyle
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my 'golden hour' shot
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one of my attempts at a golden hour shot
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my pic for my mothers ebay auction, not homework
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mrs GIMP'd color layer
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my GIMP'd color layer
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half of tomorrows homeworks

~9:30 at night (nearly 2 hours ago) at my fil's house on the river.



mine
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hers, the streak of light is a barge/tugboat
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spoiler tags would be handy..

pics from last night, on my back porch. the first shot is the bottom of the tree from the other pics. the last one is orange due to exposure compensation and white balance

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