Noobs!!
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I'm not sure that did AL any favors. I can say that as a long time mod there and very short term admin.
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10278533#post10278533 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SDguy
I wondered if you would think that was directed towards you. It's not. Your advice just bared repeating. The same thought should be carried over to this thread. Everyone should be able to take an opinion without getting so defensive. I see this thread getting closed if not.
Travis L. Stevens
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You also make an underlying, valid point to. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, needs to be politely corrected if they have given bad information. Even people that have been around for 10+ years, people that have 10,000 posts, and even people that have neither but might be considered high ranking, if you will, as long as you can back up your claim with prominent information. Humans are little learning machines, and people that have been around the block a few times are also still learning and it might be harder for them to find "new" information. If you can prove that person wrong, it's a benefit for both sides; the person who's been around a while learns something new, and the new person has helped someone out (whether it is the "oldbie" or the person asking the question).
There is a forum moderator involved in this forum. I was assuming more people would see the thread here as it is the most viewed forum on the site. I suppose if it needed to be moved, the mod would move it.
I have never clicked on that.
I've thought about moving it actually, just haven't made up my mind.
I have never clicked on that.
I've thought about moving it actually, just haven't made up my mind.
dcombs44
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Good point. This may be a bit of a tangent, but I think it still relates to the discussion. I was reading through a thread the other day started by PaulB (has had the same reef tank running for 35 years). He was discussing the fact that you don't have to spend much money to be successful. He explained that you don't need this and you don't need that, and he was flamed from all directions shortly after. Paul being the mild mannered guy that he seems to be, took it with a grain of salt, but stuff like that could cause some other members to leave the forum. The thing is, many of the people doing the slamming/contradicting were people that hadn't been members for very long, and therefore, didn't realize the contributions that PaulB has made to this hobby. I just find it sad to see things like that happen here.
dcombs44
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10278633#post10278633 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dc
There is a forum moderator involved in this forum. I was assuming more people would see the thread here as it is the most viewed forum on the site. I suppose if it needed to be moved, the mod would move it.
I have never clicked on that.
I've thought about moving it actually, just haven't made up my mind.
I see how it is:rolleye1: Pick on the guy that starts the controversial thread. :rollface:
Travis L. Stevens
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Not to pick on you directly dcombs, but that goes back to what I was saying to aznimpulse. Just because of post count or time with RC or a tank, doesn't necessarily reflect their knowledge. On the other hand, it may have needed to be said nicer though.
dcombs44
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No problem...My point to that post was more along the lines of saying that since they didn't have a long affiliation with RC, they may not have known the successes had and contributions made by Paul, and because of this they flamed out that his methods are for the most part worthless. Ok...so maybe that situation doesn't relate to this thread, but it was a good story
Beyond that, I'm in total agreement that a person's knowledge can't be judged by post count and join date along. Heck, I've got 1000 posts on just this thread, and I'm no smarter than I was when I started it.:lol:
I suppose it could be summed up like the rest of the thread that people need to respond politely, research, and weigh all replies before acting. Sure, not everyone will do that, but I suppose that it then becomes their problem...oops.
Travis L. Stevens
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Hear, hear!!
I'm pretty sure Paul has some big shoulders. And as long as he's been in the hobby. (longer than most here have been alive) Probably knew what to expect when he posted it. Doesn't excuse some people's behavior tho. Some of the problem with this is, that you can't always tell who's being rude, and who just has no tact. To some people it's a matter of fact kind of thing.
dcombs44
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Very true. It's very difficult to READ someone's tone, and yes, from Paul's original post, I'm sure he probably expected some rocks to be thrown in his direction.
Thanks everybody. For my own sake, I think I can call this thread productive. At least, it kept me from working all day
Mr31415
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Even Sprung/Delbeek differs some places radically from Shimek (see: The Reef Aquarium) on several issues.
Does this mean Sprung/Delbeek or Shimek are noob's? Nope. Does it mean they know it all? Nope.
All it means is that different people have different experiences. My point is that even people as highly respected as the aforementioned guys do not always agree on certain husbandry techniques.
So if you were to ask a question and get two conflicting responses, it is really irrelevant in the bigger scheme of things which person is right and which one is wrong. What is important is that whomever is trying to give you advise - a seasoned expert or a n00b - take that advise as you would any advise. Think logically about it, research some more to find collaborating statements and once you have a general feeling that the advise is not blatantly dumb, try it.
Once you see whether it works or not, add that to your little bag of knowledge and share that info. This way we learn from each other without blindly following (potentially disastrous) advise.
Does this mean Sprung/Delbeek or Shimek are noob's? Nope. Does it mean they know it all? Nope.
All it means is that different people have different experiences. My point is that even people as highly respected as the aforementioned guys do not always agree on certain husbandry techniques.
So if you were to ask a question and get two conflicting responses, it is really irrelevant in the bigger scheme of things which person is right and which one is wrong. What is important is that whomever is trying to give you advise - a seasoned expert or a n00b - take that advise as you would any advise. Think logically about it, research some more to find collaborating statements and once you have a general feeling that the advise is not blatantly dumb, try it.
Once you see whether it works or not, add that to your little bag of knowledge and share that info. This way we learn from each other without blindly following (potentially disastrous) advise.
Also if you're going to go with one guys opinion, maybe you should follow them around and do it their way until you catch on to how you think you want to do things. That way you aren't fighting yourself by listening to everyone and trying everything. I probably spent my first 3 years here specifically in the invert forum.
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