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The one thing i noticed is that when you look at aquariumwatertesting.com they ran tests on 13 different salt mixes and they all had PO4...some like 0.01 and some 0.10. When i did my test i just mixed a little bit with RO and tested. I tested only once. So it could very well be 0.01-0.05. The next time I mix up salt for a water change I will test again.

The RO/DI water does concern me. Again, I only tested once and I took from the holding container. I will replace the 1 micron filter with a .5 micron sediment filter and then get a new 1 micron and use it as a pre-filter.

The deal with the calcium reactor is that I had the Gen-X media in the reactor running with no CO2 for over 2 months. I was just junning saltwater through the chamber and back into the sump. I could pull it out again and soak it in RO/DI for a few days. I think I will then run that through my GFO.
 
since you normally have fairly low flow through GFO, it seems a perfect application for the Ca reactor effluent.

About salt: You cannot put all your eggs in one testor or test. Batches change. I recently tested gettanked and Red Sea Pro and both had zero PO4 based on my results. In fact the gettanked was virtually polutant free, at least from the perspective of the tests I can currently do.

And the only blip for the Red Sea Pro was a small amount of silicates. This can be problematic in terms of fueling algal growth, but I would still consider it usable. Also note that both of these salts had zero ammonia, appropriate Ca and alk levels, zero trates, appropriate Mg levels, etc.

Although I have never tested R C myself, I have never seen a completely positive report. I do know that some reef keepers use it in a two salt combination.

Sediment filters are unlikely to help in the case of PO4, with the exception that they will allow subsequent cartridges to perform better. I have heard apposing arguments on the size of pre-filters and I suggest you talk to John at SpectraPure about that. You might also get his opinion on AWT.

Again, he will be able to recommend the appropriate resin(s) for your situation. I used to believe that resin was all coming from the same place, and bargain shopped on eBay for it. I have suspended that practice as I noticed a dramatic decrease in resin performance over the course of a year. I now only buy resin from SpectraPure. Why? Because I know they wouldn't screw their reputation by selling an inferior product. Yes it does cost more, but in the long run, it performs better and with greater consitency. Peace of mind is worth a few extra bucks IMO.

And a word of advice: You say the "next time you mix up water for a water change..." I would propose that you change your method slightly. When I do a water change, I immediately mix the next batch. With systems the size of ours, I believe having ready made water is extremely important. When something goes wrong, do you panic and use tap water? How many stories have we read about how bad that can go?

I always have about 90g ready made, with another 90g of purified water standing by. Compared to my water volume it's not a lot, but at least it's something. It certainly is enough to fill an emergency tank should things go radically wrong. And you want to make darn sure that water has zero silicates. Often we react to algal growth by doing water changes, but if your new water has silicates, you are actually giving more fuel to the fire.

Regarding the Gen-X media: I am a fan, but pre-soaking can really help. And I am running plain SW through it for much of my 24 hour cycle due to pH fluctuations. At night, there is no CO2 being injected. BUT, what I do find is that it readily collects detritus. So when I swap carbon or add Ca media, I always remove the "older" media and give it a thorough rinsing in RO/DI water. A lot of crap comes out. Again another reason for keeping a lot of RO/eDI water on hand. I have a hose & garden sprayer attached to my elevated RO/DI tank for just such things. I also use it to rinse test tubs and all equipment I service.

Sorry for the long-winded post. :)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14268279#post14268279 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reefaquariumnut
I was just doing some night watching on my tank and noticed a half-dollar sized pointy urchin. wow. Since all my rock was introduced dead 6 months ago and i have gotten all my corals on plugs, I am not sure how it could have gotten into my tank...weird. very cool little guy though.

So are you saying to add another canister with a .5 micron sediment filter? Then do i still use the 1 micron filter as well or go back to the 5 micron?

Hitch hikers! They can be awesome, and they can be awful, but they are always fun to see the first time. I had long spine urchin come in the size of a pencil eraser over five years ago and it just recently died. Very cool critter!
 
Jon - I will try to answer your post in order :)

I have Reef Crystals and Tropic Marin Pro Reef Salt. The last water change I used 60% TM and 40% RC. I do know that one test on saltwater is not enough, but i just wanted to get an idea of what was going on. The salt I tested also was not the salt that is in my tank (bucket-wise). Also, I have used Instant Ocean, but it seems thats when all the negative stuff started happening to the tank.

As far as the RO/DI filters go, I will talk to Spectrapure about this issue I am having and see what comes of that...This was the first time I have tested the RO/DI water for PO4, so it might not be the filters at all.

As for water changes...I always have 90 gallons of fresh RO/DI water ready to mix up...I NEVER have or will use tap. I usually mix the salt and let it mix for a good 3 hours before use. I did test for silicates and found nothing. I am not one to overreact in situations. Big tanks usually slowly get bad or visa-versa. The only thing I could forsee happening for me to get worried is if the tank BURST! At that point everything else is moot and you move on with life. But I think the tank could function for a while with other problems such as pH, Ca, Nitrates, PO4, Temp, Mag, etc while i find a solution that could be introduced slowly to regain stable conditions...

I am slowly getting the whole game of care and maintenance for these medium sized systems (i say medium because i want bigger down the road). It really is a whole different game than my 150 i used to have :)
 
yeah and I hope you don't take my posts as criticism as they are not meant to be that. I am just trying to open "pathways" of thought. Many people with large reefs do not get involved on the forums due to time constraints, so it is tough to get advice appropriate to systems of this size.

I never liked Tropic Marin Pro and much prefer the regular. Since I do not do the zeo method, I prefer salts with higher alkalinity. When I remodel my tank room, my on-hand water will more than double. I like to have a larger than needed capacity.

I have connected with a few companies through Reef Central that provide superb individual service like Neptune Systems and not the least of which, SpectraPure. When you discuss water quality with them, you know they understand water and their first question will be "what is your incoming water like?" It is a rather customizeed approach needed in this hobby.

And what is this about the tank bursting? You are scaring me dude! Don't jinx yourself like that. :eek:

PS...how's that ride?
 
ITS WINTER!!! :( No ride in sight yet.

I like criticism just as much as i like praise. I learn from both. I would like to have a room in my garage that would be mixing around 500 gallons at all times and then slowly dumping that into a mixing sump (connected to the system of course). I think that could happen over a course of a few hours rather than the 30 minutes it takes now. I think the latter shocks the system a bit. In my city our water is very "clean" compared to other cities i have reefer friends in.

I think another reason people with large systems are hesitant to get involved in these forums is due volume of "told you so" and "why would you ever do that" type of comments and such. You really need to have thick skin and take comments and questions with a grain of salt. I usually ask 5 people and read between the lines most of the time.

I cannot wait for 1000 ponies to arrive!!
 
Yeah, I guess that ride is not really Fargo Friendly! :lol: But that will be one sweet machine. My buddy with the Selene is doing some racing, but apparently the tires alone are a major cost.

I agree with you on the shock thing. This is one reason why I keep my return pump going during most water changes. Unless I am going to shop-vac the sumps, I let the return run so the incoming "new" water mixes slowly into the system.

Keep in mind with municipal water supplies, that they add weird stuff. Many add ammonia, phosphates and more. You would do yourself a favor by questioning them on what they are doing. Take a scientific approach and they might be honest. Even ask for a tour. The more you learn about what is happening with your incoming water, the better you can filter it.

Thick skin is no lie. :D
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14276164#post14276164 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reefaquariumnut
ITS WINTER!!! :( No ride in sight yet.

I cannot wait for 1000 ponies to arrive!!

Cheese & Rice!! I didn't think it was going to make it to 1000hp!! I can't wait to see the tank, and get a ride in this beast this coming summer when I come up.


Yeah, I guess that ride is not really Fargo Friendly! But that will be one sweet machine.

Oh, yes it is....subtract the winter from Fargo and what is left is STRAIGHT FLAT roads! :)
 
Well yeah!!

I just got to see Chuck (Goodwin) tanks...that was definately a treat!!! I had sooo much fun I wish I could have stayed longer...I was there 2 hours and felt like i was rushing it.

Lots of cool ideas now for my current tanks, equipment, maintenance, etc!! Back to the think tank...
 
FINALLY!!!!!

I have finally started to get some headway on my tank! The little micro-bubble that were on the sandbed and rockwork are now 80% gone...Yes, I still do have some, but not nearly what i had before. Also, I the corals that i had never seen PE from before are actually getting some...The levels have now been stablilized for the past several days...

Mg - 1500
Ca - 435
Alk - 8.0
pH - 8.25
ORP - 394
Nitrates - 5ppm
PO4 - 0.05
Temp - 79.4 - 80.8

I set the skimmer to pull a little more wet for the last several days as well and now i am getting around 1.75 gallons/day. This has seemed to help as well.

I will try these levels for a month or so and see what the results are. I will wait about a week and take some pictures to show the progress.
 
I will be gone the next week for work and this will be the first test of "tank automation"...My wife will feed the little buggers, but everything else will be done automatically. I will take pictures on friday and post the progress. I did notice one of my blue stags was starting to get blue tips again (from a brownish color).
 
exciting and anxiety all rolled into one....I am sure everything will be fine.

I would, however, reccomend to go over some basic things with your wife about the tank, like how to empty the skimmer cup (if it gets full), what to do if the ATO doesn't top off, etc...
 
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