Not a point source LED

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I've almost completed my plans for my DIY LED fixture. And after reading seemingly millions of amazing threads and taking a boatload of notes I am ready to go ( a huge thank you for everyone who put their ideas out there! ). Then I saw this.

Vollong 3W White High Power Linear COB LED - its a 4 inch long by 0.4 inch wide LED running in the 5500K range.

You hear a lot about point source lighting and the disco effect. Has anybody used this? While the color may not be perfect, having a longer "line" of light would seem to solve at least one problem.

FYI... I'm lighting a standard 55 with 3 long aluminum C channels. 3W LEDs in several colors and K values spread out along the channels.

Thoughts?
 
A resounding NO! Use the vero 10 5000k 90 CRI chip, run several along the same length at something around or under 350mA.

http://www.digikey.com/product-deta...5-ND/4747501?WT.z_cid=ref_octopart_dkc_buynow

Runs at around 26 to 27 volts but several can be parreleled off one driver for lower current operation.

The effect will be far better and the spectrum is one of the best I've ever seen from a white LED array. plus they are cheaper and more powerful!!!

They cost little more than a normal star LED and are way more powerfull with nice wide spread and good spectrum coverage with a nice red spectral distribution and extending nicely into the low 500nm range.

Supplemented with royal blue, violet, some true blue, they would be a far superior light from my testing they are amazing! I'm in the process of upgrading one of my multi spectral arrays with these as the main white and then some supplemental LEDs for color tweaking.....

Depending on your heatsink you may need to run them below 350 to manage heat but these can run quite hot and that I have verified with testing. That COB chip I would not go anywhere near unless it was under $3

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this article will be useful for you

The article was useful, but I plan to run lights across the length of my tank to fill in all the nooks with light. The light being offered in that article is nice, just not what I'm looking for.

Use the vero 10 5000k 90 CRI chip, run several along the same length at something around or under 350mA.

Runs at around 26 to 27 volts but several can be parreleled off one driver for lower current operation.
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Thanks Zachts, you'd already sold me on the Vero 10 in another thread. I plan to use them as my main daytime lighting (daytime being when I'm home to look at the tank). UVs and RBs will fill in the rest of the space for the benefit of the inhabitants.
 
A resounding NO!
Can you please explain your opinion?
Use the vero 10 5000k 90 CRI chip, run several along the same length at something around or under 350mA.
Vero is usual and cheap small COB. It has average (or bad on high current) efficacy. Nothing special.

But I would like to remind you - the tasks of improving the uniformity of spectrum and produce high CRI should be solved by proper selection of LED for LED set. This solution has highest possible efficacy. In other word - using the high-CRI white LED will lead to low efficacy of fixture for marine aquaria. Also Vero is not comfortable in constructing due to necessity of using special optic system, that often oversized and ugly..
 
You hear a lot about point source lighting and the disco effect.
FYI... I'm lighting a standard 55 with 3 long aluminum C channels. 3W LEDs in several colors and K values spread out along the channels.
Thoughts?
That design will maximize the disco effect. To minimize disco effect you need to:
1. Group different colors as close as possible. Even 20mm LED stars touching each other is too far apart.
2. Use lenses to increase PAR
3. Use diffusing material to combine the light from different point sources.
 
Can you please explain your opinion?
Vero is usual and cheap small COB. It has average (or bad on high current) efficacy. Nothing special.

But I would like to remind you - the tasks of improving the uniformity of spectrum and produce high CRI should be solved by proper selection of LED for LED set. This solution has highest possible efficacy. In other word - using the high-CRI white LED will lead to low efficacy of fixture for marine aquaria. Also Vero is not comfortable in constructing due to necessity of using special optic system, that often oversized and ugly..

Proper selection of phosphor can also produce the same effect, often at greater efficiency since Royal Blue LEDs are the most efficient and phosphor converted LEDs are typicaly more efficient than a true color LED in the red and green spectrums. What I like about these is that they provide the correct color of white light without needing a difuser to blend the red green and blue together.

The lower efficiency won't have a huge impact on total fixture efficiency since you still would rely on more efficeint blue LEDs to provide PAR for coral growth. The Vero is just there to provide the white spectrum for viewing. for me the aesthetics of the light are more important than total efficiency since even a below average led efficiency is still better than a flourescent source. (someday luxeon or cree will use a similar phosphor on thier more efficient blue leds, but right now they are more interested in producing the highest lumen per watt to compete with HID bulbs in the comercial lighing industry and not as focused on high color rendering yet)

the optics are often not needed on Vero arrays for aquarium use but they are available that are no larger or less attractive than the typical led optic.
 
Proper selection of phosphor can also produce the same effect
Yes. But only in theory. But in practice, phosphor converted LED have a very wide spectrum, it is not usable for precision tuning of whole spectrum of fixture. Attempts to create a good spectrum by using wide spectral LEDs lead to bad efficiency. For example, white LEDs with high CRI always have a worst efficacy. To improve efficacy together with achieving high CRI is used technology of improving spectra of white LED by spectrum of red LED. This solution will give best efficacy and tunable CRI on wide range of CCT. Please familiarise with this technology:
http://ledlight.osram-os.com/technology/brilliant-mix/

Also I would like to note separately because it is extremely important. Principles of the spectrum management, contained in the description of this technology, are the basic. Without an understanding of this technology, it is impossible to talk about managing the spectrum at all. I ask also to familiarise with way, that used OSRAM to achieve good blending of different color of LED. We use the same way. To tell the truth, exists technology of better blending of colors, but it is very pricey. Diffuser, that we using, give good result and have very good price :)

The lower efficiency won't have a huge impact on total fixture efficiency since you still would rely on more efficeint blue LEDs to provide PAR for coral growth.
Excuse me, but low efficacy may give huge impact on expediency of LED technology at all. Please familiarise with part "Choice of LEDs" http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2014/4/lighting

The Vero is just there to provide the white spectrum for viewing. for me the aesthetics of the light are more important than total efficiency since even a below average led efficiency is still better than a flourescent source.
As I mentioned above, attempts to construct high-CRI white LED will cause the bad efficacy in anyway. It is only cheapo, nothing more. But, to be honest, I very surprised - why many users on English-speaking forums give such high respect to Vero? There is a solution of the same class, only much better: http://www.philipslumileds.com/products/luxeon-cob

the optics are often not needed on Vero arrays for aquarium use but they are available that are no larger or less attractive than the typical led optic.
Optics is always needed. At least to provide the passing the most of the light through the water surface, without reflection. Of course, if we design a very cheap light, we can ignore the optics. But let's see what happens if we ignore the rules of optimal design.
1. Using the low-efficiency white LEDs, but with high CRI will cause the drop of efficiency of at least 30% relative to right technology. Please study datasheets of OSRAM technology.
2. Do not use optics. Fall of about 20% efficiency. Also it depend on suspension height.
Total falling will be 0.7*0.8=0.56, i.e. almost double! It is a payment for bad understanding of simple process, that fully described in open sources.
 
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