NY Times - bleaching coral
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Gary Majchrzak
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it will be very interesting to see how corals deal with all the stresses being dealt to them.
toddmh
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I don't know what to think about this Al Gore "the sky is falling stuff" It is a known fact that coral reefs are found it some of the oldest limestone deposits on the earth..Now that is through multiple Ice ages,green house stages and even something called a "snow ball earth" That is a ice age gone wild and 95% of the earths surface was frozen solid..
Reefs move as the climate does and have no problem living through and thriving in much worse climate conditions we would ever see,because we would die off before the reefs..
I'd be way more concerned about man made destruction of the worlds reefs,that is something we can impact..The New York Times is a way left leaning paper,I'd be surprised not to see every global climate that slats left printed..
It's stuff like this that gets me..total scare tactics..
"What is unfolding this year is only the second known global bleaching of coral reefs. Scientists are holding out hope that this year will not be as bad, over all, as 1998, the hottest year in the historical record, when an estimated 16 percent of the world’s shallow-water reefs died. But in some places, including Thailand, the situation is looking worse than in 1998."
recorded history??they make it sould like it is around 1 ad or something,when recorded history is not even 300 years..Just a pin-***** of earth history..
Reefs move as the climate does and have no problem living through and thriving in much worse climate conditions we would ever see,because we would die off before the reefs..
I'd be way more concerned about man made destruction of the worlds reefs,that is something we can impact..The New York Times is a way left leaning paper,I'd be surprised not to see every global climate that slats left printed..
It's stuff like this that gets me..total scare tactics..
"What is unfolding this year is only the second known global bleaching of coral reefs. Scientists are holding out hope that this year will not be as bad, over all, as 1998, the hottest year in the historical record, when an estimated 16 percent of the world’s shallow-water reefs died. But in some places, including Thailand, the situation is looking worse than in 1998."
recorded history??they make it sould like it is around 1 ad or something,when recorded history is not even 300 years..Just a pin-***** of earth history..
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Paradiddle7
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Toddmh, I completely see your point and it's valid. I just want to add to that though. Scientists still can't 100% say if we are in a natural cycle or if humankind has affected enough of a negative change to cause serious or unreversable environmental and atmospheric changes. I'm fine with that, but I think we need to be on the cautious and preventative side of the argument. It's simple because we do have the technology and the means to make a change. If humankind is responsible for this then we need to make that change ASAP before it's too late. I'm not worried about the Earth, it will be here for another 5 billion years before the sun eats it. I just want my kids and their kids to have enough of a planet that it doesn't look like a post-apocolyptic movie, i.e. Mad Max etc... Shoot, I have to run, I need to go fill up my SUV.
toddmh
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haha SUV 
I see what you are saying also,I can also agree putting as much effort in saving the reefs is by far a good thing..I just think for the billions of dollars spend on scare tactics.that money can be spend with deep ocean and even shallow ocean exploration,we can not save what we have no idea how it works..Like the old saying I hear often,we know way more about the moon than the oceans and seas of the world..
Plus things like giving China a couple hundred thousand dollar fine for wiping out millions of years of the GBR in one swipe,is just wrong imo..these are things we can fix..weather..not so much..
I see what you are saying also,I can also agree putting as much effort in saving the reefs is by far a good thing..I just think for the billions of dollars spend on scare tactics.that money can be spend with deep ocean and even shallow ocean exploration,we can not save what we have no idea how it works..Like the old saying I hear often,we know way more about the moon than the oceans and seas of the world..Plus things like giving China a couple hundred thousand dollar fine for wiping out millions of years of the GBR in one swipe,is just wrong imo..these are things we can fix..weather..not so much..
Wether carbon footprint is driving warming per the now questionable data used to construct the "hockey stick" graff and/or natural/cosmic cycles including: the sun ,geothermal changes,etc. are in play and contibuting to a warming or more longterm chilling trend poses a baffling set of questions . Everything in the mighty universe is constantly changing so isolating a trend and causality is very difficult. .Seems to me that zealously attributing "climate changes" to variables under human control is a bit of narcissism cloaked in noble purpose with a very light tint of science.
Having said that I think it makes perfect sense to make reasonable efforts to limit carbon emissions and to pursue alternatives to carbon based fuels for a number of good environmental and economic reasons. Of course the debate is about what is reasonable.
Trouble is "science" has been mixed up with social engineering , national and global political causes and profiteering. Trustworthy analysis may never be sorted out.
It is clear that the green movement is being used to drive social change,changes in world order and wealth distribution based on wind mill chasing technology with billions to be made that so far seems to be of limited ooutcomes in terms of "clean energy" ,in my opinion. Mr Gore and others are profiting tremendously from all of this which makes it a dubious activity to me.
On the other hand carbon based fuels drive wealth and power in today's world so the staus quo is very desireable to many.
Having said that I think it makes perfect sense to make reasonable efforts to limit carbon emissions and to pursue alternatives to carbon based fuels for a number of good environmental and economic reasons. Of course the debate is about what is reasonable.
Trouble is "science" has been mixed up with social engineering , national and global political causes and profiteering. Trustworthy analysis may never be sorted out.
It is clear that the green movement is being used to drive social change,changes in world order and wealth distribution based on wind mill chasing technology with billions to be made that so far seems to be of limited ooutcomes in terms of "clean energy" ,in my opinion. Mr Gore and others are profiting tremendously from all of this which makes it a dubious activity to me.
On the other hand carbon based fuels drive wealth and power in today's world so the staus quo is very desireable to many.
Gary Majchrzak
Team RC
all other BS aside it's a sad situation for corals
all other BS aside it's a sad situation for corals
it sucks that living coral reefs are in peril.
all other BS aside it's a sad situation for corals
it sucks that living coral reefs are in peril.
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