OK! Enough chat...Starting a 1000g+ Reef
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steve the plumb
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I would not risk buying those powerheads just to have a hole in the tank one day with water all over the floor.I could just see my wifes reaction.:blown:
jnarowe
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Some Reef notes and good news:
The reef is doing fine and today, while feeding the tank, I saw for the first time since introduction over a month ago, the two cleaner shrimp! That is good news! So perhaps the longnose is not systematically assassinating them, and the previous losses can be attributed to the dino attack.
My PLTA is still wandering around a bit, and when I fed it some shrimp tonight, that stupid F'ing sebae clown (another pest I got from Sherman) stole the shrimp out of it and tried to choke it down. Unfortunately he is too stupid to choke himself too. Then I fed another piece to the PLTA and he stole it again! OK...so I am more stupid than the clown, but who's keeping score? :lol:
On the Vortech front, more good news. When I got home tonight I had a message from Eco-Tech proposing 3 viable solutions. They are not "perfect" but I think we are at a point that with a little more discussion we will work it out. I cannot go into the details at this point as I have not decided on which solution will work the best for me, but I feel we are moving forward and will be able to put this behind us fairly soon.
This put a smile on my face for the first time in a long while. Every time I look at my tank I freak out. As many of you know, I have had my share of floods and to think my tank could pop like a zit makes me nuts.
The reef is doing fine and today, while feeding the tank, I saw for the first time since introduction over a month ago, the two cleaner shrimp! That is good news! So perhaps the longnose is not systematically assassinating them, and the previous losses can be attributed to the dino attack.
My PLTA is still wandering around a bit, and when I fed it some shrimp tonight, that stupid F'ing sebae clown (another pest I got from Sherman) stole the shrimp out of it and tried to choke it down. Unfortunately he is too stupid to choke himself too. Then I fed another piece to the PLTA and he stole it again! OK...so I am more stupid than the clown, but who's keeping score? :lol:
On the Vortech front, more good news. When I got home tonight I had a message from Eco-Tech proposing 3 viable solutions. They are not "perfect" but I think we are at a point that with a little more discussion we will work it out. I cannot go into the details at this point as I have not decided on which solution will work the best for me, but I feel we are moving forward and will be able to put this behind us fairly soon.
This put a smile on my face for the first time in a long while. Every time I look at my tank I freak out. As many of you know, I have had my share of floods and to think my tank could pop like a zit makes me nuts.
kmacartney
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I am currently experiencing a dino outbreak. What worked for you?
chris wright
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Well for your sake, I hope one of the proposed solutions, will not result in any more losses and further stress.
It's unbelievable that your guinea pigging a product and getting screwed for your efforts,
Must have a sore butt ah? :lol:
Cheers
Chris
It's unbelievable that your guinea pigging a product and getting screwed for your efforts,
Must have a sore butt ah? :lol:
Cheers
Chris
melev
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Anyone that was a beta-tester was a guinea pig so to speak. I don't recall that Jonathan was one of them, but he can state that for himself.
I was one of the beta testers, btw. People stood in line at MACNA to sign up to hopefully be lucky enough to try them out back in winter 2005. I got my pump back in late January 2006.
People that try out new technology do have to consider any risks, both to equipment and livestock. Your statement quoted above paints a pretty harsh picture, imho.
jnarowe
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I was not a beta tester and in fact missed out on the first production run. Beta testers have to take the good with the bad IMO. And I think that he materials were somewhat different in those units compared to what they used when they released the first units. That's no suprise, as that is what beta testing is for.
I would have stood in that line too.
And Chris, my butt is just fine, although it did pucker a bit while I was just watching Borat. Yes Sherman, I bought the damn movie just for the outakes.
I would have stood in that line too.
And Chris, my butt is just fine, although it did pucker a bit while I was just watching Borat. Yes Sherman, I bought the damn movie just for the outakes.
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jnarowe
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I read quite a bit and learned that doing water changes may actually provide more food for the dinos. I did some sugar dosing as well, but I cannot pinpoint the exact cause of their demise. By the time I got a handle on it, I had lost quite a few corals. I did start with an hour break in my lighting schedule and around that time the dinos started to decline.
I believe multiple issues contributed to their creation including a heat wave causing a snail die-off, low flow, and the resulting nutrient build-up.
I use that same method on my FW planted tank to reduce nuisance algae. The theory is that lower life forms take more energy and time to ramp up photosynthesis and if you interupt the lighting period, they cannot prosper.
I continue to employ an hour break in my reef tank lighting with excellent coral growth and no nuisance algae or bacteria. Well, except for the coraline. It is so heavy now that large sections have peeled away like skin off a sunburn, only to reveal new coraline growth...can I sell this stuff???
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kmacartney
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OK, I'll try that. The water changes are definitely not working. Thanks!
steve the plumb
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Nice to hear you might get compensated.Funny how you have to post on a forum and threaten someones business in order to finally get them to fix the problem properly.When you dished out over $300 a pop per unit it didn't seem much of a problem to take your money.After hearing what you went through I won't be buying one.I know I myself won't make a difference but other with acrylic tanks might.They should have placed a warning on the box or specified to be use on glass tanks only.I would have saved you some grief.
jnarowe
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That would be too many warnings since there already is one for glass and possible damage from making waves. But those disclaimers are an unfortunate requirement of doing business these days. Since Eco-Tech maintains that I am the only one with crazing, that would make this an isolated incident and I doubt that would warrant a warning.
Barry: Why clean the coraline if it will just fall off 6 months later? Isn't that just wasted work? j/k of course. I am keeping half of one end nice and clean...but with the crazing, I am afraid to get on top of the tank.
There has been a lot of speculation about my tank walls being under stress and contributing to the crazing, and while I don't buy that argument based on my observations, I would hate to add to it by laying on top of the bracing. That would really suck if it blew out while I was up there!
Barry: Why clean the coraline if it will just fall off 6 months later? Isn't that just wasted work? j/k of course. I am keeping half of one end nice and clean...but with the crazing, I am afraid to get on top of the tank.
There has been a lot of speculation about my tank walls being under stress and contributing to the crazing, and while I don't buy that argument based on my observations, I would hate to add to it by laying on top of the bracing. That would really suck if it blew out while I was up there!
steve the plumb
In Memoriam
You would go for a swim:fish1: :beer:
chris wright
In Memoriam
I didn't mean it to sound unfair, but Jonathon should not have to band-aid this problem. Building a tank around these pumps, obviously took a lot of planning, and experimenting a solution on his tank is unfair in my opinion, especially at personal expense . I would expect that if this product has been on the market for a while now, then it should have problems sorted out, especially considering the costs involved.
I would also expect a brand name product to have better solutions to a problem. I understand the taking risk, I do own 4 6025 Nano's, all with broken holders, which I have tried to repair, and will be getting the new parts when available, but I did expect that Tunze could have done more research with the plastics to determine durability. I brought these pumps because they were made by Tunze, but I must say that their customer service has lived up to their reputation, and they are solving the problem with new parts. Unlike the hog wash that Jonathon's copped, Tunze are not telling people, oops! my bad you fix the problem by gluing the brackets together, they are rectifying the problem. I just feel that a blind eye is being turned - an isolated incident is not a fair excuse to Jonathon, it doesn't solve his problem.
I know this is not a Tunze problem, but it highlights the difference between the companies. If I do something wrong when building somebodies house, and if the part that I have used is faulty, I expect it replaced, not repaired. I am responsible for my work and for using products that meet up to our standards, so they should be subjected to the same standards.
I just hope that both parties can come to a resolution, Good luck with it Jonathon, keen to see what comes of it.
Again I apologize to anybody that finds my logic harsh, but I have my reasons.
Cheers
Chris
chris wright
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11332744#post11332744 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jnarowe
I was not a beta tester and in fact missed out on the first production run. Beta testers have to take the good with the bad IMO. And I think that he materials were somewhat different in those units compared to what they used when they released the first units. That's no suprise, as that is what beta testing is for.
I would have stood in that line too.
And Chris, my butt is just fine, although it did pucker a bit while I was just watching Borat. Yes Sherman, I bought the damn movie just for the outakes.
I didn't see this post until responding to Melev's. Again I don't think i'm being harsh, not when a 1000 gallon tank is damaged structually. If it were a mere scratch because the pump moved around fair enough, but not this. Just my opinion.
Yeah Borat will do that :lol:
Cheers
Chris
jnarowe
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Don't even write that Steve!
Yeah Chris, I think my posting about this issue has flared up beyond what I had envisioned. I have not seen any other tanks damaged by the heat, but I also don't know anyone else using them on acrylic tanks.
My business is extremely busy right now so I don't have the usual leisure time to discuss this but I think Tim and I will have this wrapped up fairly soon. We had a long talk today and as anyone can imagine, he is pretty upset that I posted those pics. I can understand that being in business myself.
Eco-Tech feels that there are other causative elements to the extreme crazing relating to my tank and possibly tank room conditions, but I cannot verify that myself based on my lack of expertise. It may come down to getting the tank analyzed to see what if any other factors were involved.
Just an FYI, when we do agree on a solution, I may not be allowed to disclose the remedy. I know that sucks for people following this thread, but it is an unfortunate reality in our times. I am hoping to convince Eco-Tech that it is in their best interest to disclose, but I am sure they will follow the legal advice given to them.
I really appreciate the emotional/moral support I am getting as well as those who are posting on behalf of Eco-Tech. These guys have been through hell with this product release and are going through the school of hard knocks. Most of us have been there more than once so some compassion is due them in the respect that they are very sensitive to the needs of their customers and are working diligently to resolve my issue as well as assure the customer base that this event is not a common occurrence.
Please bear with me (us) as I have a very tough decision to make right now.
Yeah Chris, I think my posting about this issue has flared up beyond what I had envisioned. I have not seen any other tanks damaged by the heat, but I also don't know anyone else using them on acrylic tanks.
My business is extremely busy right now so I don't have the usual leisure time to discuss this but I think Tim and I will have this wrapped up fairly soon. We had a long talk today and as anyone can imagine, he is pretty upset that I posted those pics. I can understand that being in business myself.
Eco-Tech feels that there are other causative elements to the extreme crazing relating to my tank and possibly tank room conditions, but I cannot verify that myself based on my lack of expertise. It may come down to getting the tank analyzed to see what if any other factors were involved.
Just an FYI, when we do agree on a solution, I may not be allowed to disclose the remedy. I know that sucks for people following this thread, but it is an unfortunate reality in our times. I am hoping to convince Eco-Tech that it is in their best interest to disclose, but I am sure they will follow the legal advice given to them.
I really appreciate the emotional/moral support I am getting as well as those who are posting on behalf of Eco-Tech. These guys have been through hell with this product release and are going through the school of hard knocks. Most of us have been there more than once so some compassion is due them in the respect that they are very sensitive to the needs of their customers and are working diligently to resolve my issue as well as assure the customer base that this event is not a common occurrence.
Please bear with me (us) as I have a very tough decision to make right now.
chris wright
In Memoriam
Good luck with it mate.
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