OK! Enough chat...Starting a 1000g+ Reef

[jnarowe]

BTW, I forgot to mention that the white circles you see beside two of those pumps is just dead coraline on the wet side. That is not damage to the tank.

 

[jnarowe]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11434843#post11434843 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by triggerfish1976
Jonathan,

Don't you still use these on your tank?

Yes, I have no choice. This is part of the developing problem. because I built my tank around these pumps, I cannot just bring CL online. I would have to drain the tank and drill for them. I am NOT willing to pop a bunch of Tunze into the tank. That is not a solution IMO.

 

[reefsafe]

if the tank were say 1 inch thick, could we say without any doubt that the heat generated by the vortech's would have no effect?. It's a point load of excessive heat that's transfering through the material, which I would think no matter the extra thickness would still occur.

Unfortunately vortechs wont work on a 1" thick tank. But I think the point is that the heat from the pumps couples extra stress placed on the 3/4" acrylic led to the crazing. If a vortech could work on a 1" tank or if this tank were say a 225 gallon 3/4' acrlyic, there would be no stress on the acrylic so there would be no crazing. I am not an engineer though so I can't say for sure

You are seriously deluded trigger.

jnarowe, you have all your friends posting here bashing ectoech by offering their opinions. Trigger is actually presented facts on here. Granted, it is not what you want to hear, but it is facts nonetheless.

You have to understand that Eco-Tech is enjoying the fruit of the seeds of doubt planted regarding the integrity of my tank

I still don't think anyone has found a manufacturer that would build a tank of your dimensions out of 3/4" acrylic. Of all the tank manufacturers, how come no one is able to find at least one that would make your tank and provide a warranty?

I hope you are getting paid dude

Ectotech has created a revolutionary product. The WWD is amazing. Trigger, I am guessing like myself, is trying to state the other side of the argument

 

[reefsafe]

I am NOT willing to pop a bunch of Tunze into the tank

why not? I am sure you could sell your vortechs on the RC used equip forum and buy tunze. I may even buy one if you are interested in selling.

 

[jnarowe]

Marc, that is indeed one option, but in order to remove the affected area, I would have to install a 3" BH which has a hole of 4.5"/ That is a very large bulkhead to be viewed from the front pane....now I don't need any jokes about seeing through the front pane!! I just don't feel that is a good solution either.

I do have a pool and the BH to do that, but I was hoping that Eco-Tech would come through for me so I wouldn't have to go through that. Displacing 700 - 800 gal. of water and probably a lot of corals to affect that repair is nausiating at best.

 

[melev]

I agree it isn't a great solution, but many of us do what we can to fix our tanks to keep the livestock safe, and this is a working solution.

Additionally, after I posted it I thought it could be the intake to a huge closed loop.

 

[jnarowe]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11435014#post11435014 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mdrumm
why not? I am sure you could sell your vortechs on the RC used equip forum and buy tunze. I may even buy one if you are interested in selling.

Tunze are ugly.

 

[Kent E]

Wow seeing the full shot is heart breaking. And hearing the whole story is aggravating. If they personally told you to do such and such and you did it and that happened, in my opinion they owe you a tank.

 

[jnarowe]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11435028#post11435028 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by melev
I agree it isn't a great solution, but many of us do what we can to fix our tanks to keep the livestock safe, and this is a working solution.

Additionally, after I posted it I thought it could be the intake to a huge closed loop.

I have thought about that too, but I dont really want closed loops. That's why I spent so much energy on the Vortechs. But again, that is a possiblity.

 

[chris wright]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11435028#post11435028 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by melev
I agree it isn't a great solution, but many of us do what we can to fix our tanks to keep the livestock safe, and this is a working solution.

Additionally, after I posted it I thought it could be the intake to a huge closed loop.

Imagine the flow you could generate :lol: Shame it's not a practical location.

 

[reefsafe]

Tunze are ugly.

I ll agree with you there, jnarowe

 

[jnarowe]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11435002#post11435002 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mdrumm
jnarowe, you have all your friends posting here bashing ectoech by offering their opinions. Trigger is actually presented facts on here. Granted, it is not what you want to hear, but it is facts nonetheless.

Fact? I think I am the only one in possession of the facts. I think all other posters in this thread are only assuming whatever "facts" they want to present.

Ectotech has created a revolutionary product. The WWD is amazing. Trigger, I am guessing like myself, is trying to state the other side of the argument

No doubt...the other side of the arguement. Where we having an argument, or were you telling readers how my tank caused itself to craze?

...and revolutionary product? Have you seen how many wires are on this wireless product? Have you tried to set it to run in more than one mode automatically?

The Vortech is indeed a step in the direction of advancing our hobby, but to call the WWD revolutionary is a bit over-kill.

BTW, I had one more interesting thought: Could it be that the pressure is greater at depth in my tank, and that is creating resistance and pressure on the propellor assembly itself, and causing over-heating? Well no, since it only happened with one pump!

 

[GMFett]

jonathon-

its seems so many problems in this hobby are due to faulty equipment and not inexperienced reef keepers. i know how you feel ab tunzes (heard it a thousand times :lol: ) but when do you think you'll cut your losses, sell those vortechs and either get a few tunzes or a closed loop? it sucks investing so much money into something only to see it fail.

i sympathize with you man....

marcus

 

[melev]

And if you do get Tunze, I would not recommend a wave box on that tank. When those came out, Tunze warned their customers that it would reduce the lifespan of the tank by 20%.

Considering how old your tank apparently is, and that it isn't built more ruggedly with thicker material, you'd probably have way bigger issues than currently. :eek2:

 

[jnarowe]

Thanks Marcus.

And Marc, I have been discussing this with Roger for the past few days. IF I do a temporary repair on this tank, then I will scab on a wavebox for testing purposes. Then I will build a new tank with just that in mind. Roger has stated that the tank should be one size up from currently recognized specs. so that would put my tank into the 1.25 - 1.5" arena.

Maybe a Manta CL with Wavy Seas?

 

[jnarowe]

This BTW is a mockup of what a tank with built-in wave boxes would look like from the front, sans aquascape:

The standard wavebox on an 8' tank produces a net flow of about 15,000 gph.

 

[reefsafe]

jnarowe,

Like all reefers, I read that you have flooded your tank room on occasion. Any chance water may half damaged the dry components and cause the pump to malfunction?

 

[melev]

If you are getting a new tank, get one that is coralline-resistant. You might as well do it right, right from the start.

 

[jnarowe]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11435224#post11435224 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mdrumm
jnarowe,

Like all reefers, I read that you have flooded your tank room on occasion. Any chance water may half damaged the dry components and cause the pump to malfunction?

That's an interesting question...sort of out-of-the-blue eh? The pumps are well off the floor if that is what you mean. I have had a couple of them get some SW on them, but not in a manner that affected their performance, and not this particular pump. It is a curious question though. I wonder how that came into your head?

Marc, yeah well, Sherman and I were discussing the practicality of installing a low-iron pane where this affected pane is. What we discussed was whether or not the tank could be drained and the majority of the acrylic be cut out, leaving a large lip to seat a Starfire pane to from the inside.

I need to talk to some manufacturers about hybrid tanks. I know James said he had not done one yet, but I do know there are low-iron tanks with PVC bottoms and acrylic bracing. It's worth investigating.

 

[reefsafe]

jnarowe

as an owner of 4 vortech pumps I am just trying to figure what happened by researching on your thread. I appreciate your comments regarding your situation. I am only offering my opinion and not claiming to be an expert of anything.