Olasana Lagoon: High Energy SPS Nano Build Thread

I don't agree that your 500 gallon something system is in away comparable to a 20l with 2 piece of tonga branch.
Why? Methodologically, what is the difference that you see?

The difference in water stability is huge.
500 gallons is 1892 liters and you say look at my tank it's run the same way. It just happens to be 94 times the water volume. What's the difference?:lmao:
 
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So why not tell me? I don't want to read 16 pages and shouldn't have to. I asked earlier in a very open way. I asked GALLEON.

I'm not a troll. Why is being curious met with attack? What part of my post was wrong except it's 20 gallon and not 20L. That's still an ocean of difference;) Calling me a troll is trolling. You're a fanboy Vitz.
 
Todd100 said:
I don't agree that your 500 gallon something system is in away comparable to a 20l with 2 piece of tonga branch.
Why? Methodologically, what is the difference that you see?

The difference in water stability is huge.
500 gallons is 1892 liters and you say look at my tank it's run the same way. It just happens to be 94 times the water volume. What's the difference?:lmao:
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I think we already established that that system is larger than Galleons system. What else?
 
Todd100 said:
Your water chemistry was off!
I love minimalist high wattage sps tanks and follow several on our forum. My favorite is a Brazilian tank that runs a handful of ceramic rocks and a Bubble King for the main filtration. The Brazilian tank is bare botton with just enough rock to attach sps on. The tanks ph is stable. The reason I subscribed months ago to follow your thread, is because I hadn't seen it done before. Your tank planning and concept is outside of normal. Calling it thinking "out of the box" is being politically correct. To be honest, your thread intrigued me because of it's risk factor, which is a good thing. You know the saying about risks and rewards. If you had more water volume, rock, or fine aragonite it would've had better ph stability.
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Of course the chemistry was off, a bunch of Kalk slurry got dumped into the tank - no amount of rock or sand would have helped.
I have a 300 gallon system I did the same thing to. Sure more water volume, but that also means that there was more kalk slurry to dump into the tank to end up getting the same problem - its all about ratios.

A 500 gallon tank being compared to a 20l tank is trying to help out your friend:love1:
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The comparison is in the methodology - the two systems are run essentially the same way, everything is just scaled up in the larger one.

Why did the spike happen? DID YOU TEST THE MAIN WATER PARAMETERS? Or did you panic and dump vinegar in? Then you did the large water change you should've done after you knew what caused the ph spike.

Heres where I offer some constructive advice. You could get another ph spike if you haven't yet figured out the cause. Please buy an aquarium controller to alert you of ph swings.
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We know why the spike happened, a bunch of kalk slurry was accidentally dumped into the tank. There when the pH is 9.7 there is no reason to check any other parameter, you have to lower the pH. If your house is on fire, you put out the fire.
 
Todd100 said:
So why not tell me? I don't want to read 16 pages and shouldn't have to. I asked earlier in a very open way.
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ok, but he answered in this thread, the same place you asked. If you chose not to read the answer, what should he have done. FedEx you the answer? Lighten up a little, and remember this a thread, things get posted in sequence, if you don't follow the sequence whose fault is that?
 
I had planned on it, we are still in the process of moving from the house in San Antonio to the house in Marble Falls, the tank is already there but I am stuck in S/A getting ready for a garage sale. I won't send a pm, must be FedEx! LOL!
 
I grew up in Austin (Westlake boy) and though I have lived all over, Central Texas will always be home. Once we get settled we will be making the rounds.
 
Todd100 said:
So why not tell me? I don't want to read 16 pages and shouldn't have to. I asked earlier in a very open way. I asked GALLEON.

I'm not a troll. Why is being curious met with attack? What part of my post was wrong except it's 20 gallon and not 20L. That's still an ocean of difference;) Calling me a troll is trolling. You're a fanboy Vitz.
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Make that a childish and lazy troll ;)
 
I will lighten up now that I haven't received any more hostility and had my question answered. Kalk overdose is an accident. Followed up by a rush to correct the problem fast with vinegar.

I'm sure Galleon if you had time sleep on it and thought more about the potential effects of that much carbon you would've tried to avoid it. I don't want to see any reefer fail ever. It can be demoralizing and ruin the enjoyment of having a personal slice of the ocean to be amazed by.

A fanboy is a person that looks up to someone like they're a hero or rock star. They praise them, kiss butt, defend them, and say how great that person is. Sounds like your not one but you did call me a bad name so I take it back.

The 500 gallon to 20 gallon comparison is the difference. I'm not emotional involved now in debating. I'm sorry for being condescending in my response to you Thales. It's just that the volume is the difference. Yes you could've had the same accident if you measured your kalk wrong. If you put 25 times the accidental amount of kalk that Galleon did you'd have the same problem. All I should've said is...smaller tanks are more prone to large water chemistry swings and more sensitive to additions and subtractions of essential elements.
 
Oops looks like i should've refreshed my page.
I don't think we'll see eye to eye any time soon Vitz.
You don't know me or my struggles and successes.
Everybody has issues and a daily struggle to be happy and I took to heart a quote in a sig line of an RC member here. It read along the lines of "Be kinder than you have to, you don't know what struggles that person is battling." I often forget this quote but try not to. Please keep that in mind for this community's sake (you are hostile without remorse). I'm a winning tennis coach and do everything I can to help the kid's in my community succeed. It's work that has more reward than just a paycheck. I'm also a small time real estate investor and put in a lot of work building up so far 3 properties when I'm not teaching. I try very hard in life and my family is proud of how I make a living. I'm not lazy, fat, have green skin, or live under a bridge.
 
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Todd100 said:
I will lighten up now that I haven't received any more hostility and had my question answered. Kalk overdose is an accident. Followed up by a rush to correct the problem fast with vinegar.

I'm sure Galleon if you had time sleep on it and thought more about the potential effects of that much carbon you would've tried to avoid it. I don't want to see any reefer fail ever. It can be demoralizing and ruin the enjoyment of having a personal slice of the ocean to be amazed by.
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He did know the potential effects, he just didn't have anything else around to lower the pH and he didn't have time to sleep on it. It's a horrible position to be in, but I would have done the same thing if I was in his situation with what he had on hand. He has even pointed out that he choose to go the vinegar route over CO2, mainly because he felt the need to act quickly.

The 500 gallon to 20 gallon comparison is the difference. I'm not emotional involved now in debating. I'm sorry for being condescending in my response to you Thales. It's just that the volume is the difference. Yes you could've had the same accident if you measured your kalk wrong. If you put 25 times the accidental amount of kalk that Galleon did you'd have the same problem. All I should've said is...smaller tanks are more prone to large water chemistry swings and more sensitive to additions and subtractions of essential elements.
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No worries, and sure about the water volume in general terms - larger systems tend to be more stable.
This wasn't a measurement problem or a stability problem it was a kalk/ATO issue, and the same thing could have happend (and has happened) on any size tank running the same methodology because everything, even the amount of kalk in the ATO reservoir is scaled to the size of the system. Galleon has taken steps to ensure it won't happen again.

:D
 
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