One mouth feed the family?

Friday Night

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Zoa's/Palys

One polyp "head" eats or gets "nutrients" does it make the whole colony grow and feeds everyone? or just that one polyp and allows its mat to spread?
 
Friday,

I have wondered the same thing. I do spot feed my Purple Death and Nuke' Greens maybe once a week or so. But do to placement I really only feed a couple of polyps in each colony. They all seem to be doing well so I assume all of the polyps reap the benefits. Just would like to know for sure or if I am just wasting my time.
 
To expand on Friday's question....how does a zoa/paly polyp work? What does it's connective tissue do? What type of nervous system does it have? OK so it has a mouth what does it do with anything they take in? The polyps retract if you touch them do they have a brain that tells them when to open back out?
 
Zoa's/Palys

One polyp "head" eats or gets "nutrients" does it make the whole colony grow and feeds everyone? or just that one polyp and allows its mat to spread?

Good question....the answer is no. Each polyp is solely responsible for the growth and sustainability of that polyp. So if one polyp eats, it does not share that nutritional intake/uptake with other polyps. This is why current is so vital in a zoa/paly tank. These photosynthetic gems truly need light to sustain them. Much debate among the pros has deviated from light alone being enough to light not being enough to totally sustain them, thus periodic external supplemental feedings are required.

Med to strong lighting with 2 or 3 light feeding per week in conjunction with strong current I have found to be the very best environment for zoas and palys.


Mucho Reef
 
Thanks Mucho Reef for that answer. That's going to change the way I take care of my zoas. Friday Night, great question!
 
Thanks all.. i kinda wanted to stear away from names and price tags and get a little educational lol... now my head hurts lol jk.. Thats my boy Mucho comming out of the shadows... i thought i lost you for a min brother.. :beer: i know you dont drink but have a apple juice or something ;)

i know some lps work in this manner though one feeds all.. im sure ill ask the lps brothers/sisters...
 
To expand on Friday's question....how does a zoa/paly polyp work? What does it's connective tissue do? What type of nervous system does it have? OK so it has a mouth what does it do with anything they take in? The polyps retract if you touch them do they have a brain that tells them when to open back out?


Since the connecting tissue doesn't serve as a means of nutritional transport, I'm guessing it it merely a means of growth attachment to anchor them to a surface. I do believe however that one side of the colony has the ability to communicate with the other side. If you touch the far right right side of the colony, you will begin to see retraction spread throughout the colony even if only one polyp is touched.

I'm sure they don't have a brain or a CNS as human have, but I do believe the colony has the ability to communicate throughout the colony.

Within the mouth, ( oral slit ) has a multi purpose. It has the ability to eat and poop as well from this slit. Within the slit, it has vibrating cilia which leads to a gastrovascular pouch. To watch some which exhibit a prey/capture response before feeding while others don't, it always interesting to see.

Good question.

Mucho Reef
 
How does a new polyp form, if it does not receive help from the others?
Does it cut the supply once it develops its own mouth? Or does it develop through photosynthesis of the mat, and not the face of the paly/zoa?
 
submersible- excellent reasoning. The parent zoanthid would ofcourse be using energy from its own zooxanthallae or uptake of nutrients to make an offspring. What determines this I do not know if it is temperature related, light related, nutrient related or many other factors. My hypothesis is that once a juvenile is formed from a parental zoanthid it now has the ability to become self sustaining (like one polyp frags) through the zooxanthallae or other means. I do imagine that when there is a connective tissue there MAY be some type of shared energy but would probably be negligible. This is all ofcourse my opinions based on the studying of other animals and plants.
 
hmmm how much can I sell the mat of my zoanthids? haha jk. Messin with you Friday :beer:.
 
How does a new polyp form, if it does not receive help from the others?
Does it cut the supply once it develops its own mouth? Or does it develop through photosynthesis of the mat, and not the face of the paly/zoa?

Think of it in terms of sexual vs asexual reproduction for clarification.

Sexual

Corals reproduce sexually by either internal or external fertilization.

Internally fertilized eggs are brooded by the polyp for days to weeks. Free-swimming larvae are released into the water and settle within hours.

Externally fertilized eggs develop while adrift. After a few days, fertilized eggs develop into free-swimming larvae. Larvae settle within hours to days.

However, some corals are hermaphroditic (having both male and female reproductive cells). Others are either male or female. Both sexes can occur in a colony, or a colony may consist of individuals of the same sex.

Synchronous spawning occurs in many corals. Polyps release eggs and sperm into the water at the same time. This spawning method disperses eggs over a larger area. Synchronous spawning depends on four factors: time of the year, water temperature, and tidal and lunar cycles.

Spawning is most successful when there is little variation between high and low tides. The less water movement over the reef, the better the chance that an egg will be fertilized.

Once the larva settles on a substrate, it develops into a polyp.

Asexual

Environmental disturbances may dislodge some polyps or portions of colonies from the parent colony and deposit them on another part of the reef.

Sometimes, newly developing coral colonies split and form separate colonies.

Often a polyp produced by sexual reproduction initiates growth of a colony asexually by budding. Budding occurs when a portion of the parent polyp pinches off to form a new individual. Budding enables the polyp to replicate itself several times and at the same time maintain tissue connections within the colony. Later, the same polyp may reproduce sexually.

So therefore to answer your question, be it sexual or asexual, once the larvae/bud forms it is on its own. It has all the cells capable of forming a new colony by meoisis and mitosis. It needs no further assistance from the mother polyp/colony.
 
How does a new polyp form, if it does not receive help from the others?
Does it cut the supply once it develops its own mouth? Or does it develop through photosynthesis of the mat, and not the face of the paly/zoa?

Think of it in terms of sexual vs asexual reproduction for clarification.

Sexual

Corals reproduce sexually by either internal or external fertilization.

Internally fertilized eggs are brooded by the polyp for days to weeks. Free-swimming larvae are released into the water and settle within hours.

Externally fertilized eggs develop while adrift. After a few days, fertilized eggs develop into free-swimming larvae. Larvae settle within hours to days.

However, some corals are hermaphroditic (having both male and female reproductive cells). Others are either male or female. Both sexes can occur in a colony, or a colony may consist of individuals of the same sex.

Synchronous spawning occurs in many corals. Polyps release eggs and sperm into the water at the same time. This spawning method disperses eggs over a larger area. Synchronous spawning depends on four factors: time of the year, water temperature, and tidal and lunar cycles.

Spawning is most successful when there is little variation between high and low tides. The less water movement over the reef, the better the chance that an egg will be fertilized.

Once the larva settles on a substrate, it develops into a polyp.

Asexual

Environmental disturbances may dislodge some polyps or portions of colonies from the parent colony and deposit them on another part of the reef.

Sometimes, newly developing coral colonies split and form separate colonies.

Often a polyp produced by sexual reproduction initiates growth of a colony asexually by budding. Budding occurs when a portion of the parent polyp pinches off to form a new individual. Budding enables the polyp to replicate itself several times and at the same time maintain tissue connections within the colony. Later, the same polyp may reproduce sexually.

So therefore to answer your question, be it sexual or asexual, once the larvae/bud forms it is on its own. It has all the cells capable of forming a new colony by meoisis and mitosis. It needs no further assistance from the mother polyp/colony.
 
Ok....what about when you get a polyp that starts to split? Are both mouths now feeding that polyp or is only 1 functional until the split? I've had PPE's do this a few times, and I've only observed the original mouth feeding. Just curious to hear any input.
 
Ok....what about when you get a polyp that starts to split? Are both mouths now feeding that polyp or is only 1 functional until the split? I've had PPE's do this a few times, and I've only observed the original mouth feeding. Just curious to hear any input.

Whoops didn't mean to dp...

Interesting question... I do not know the answer for certain. However, I would suspect that both mouths/slits are feeding the polyp.

Once the polyp begins to split, itis making an exact copy of itself... Therfore, the vibrating cilia, gastrovascular pouch, as well as all other aspect of the polyp are being replicated at the same exact time. So if there are two slits, and two gastrovascular pouches, I would say one slit feeds each pouch.

On the flip side, perhaps the polyp does not feed while it is splitting. It strictly uses photosythesis for its energy untill reproduction has ended.

Maybe Mucho Reef can shed some more light on this question, as i am not for certain...
 
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