OPINIONS? AGA RR 210 or PERFECTO 220 RR

[MrineLfRlz]

ok im going to be getting 1 or the other of these in the future and was wondering what one is the best choice " quality, price, longevity"?%%
1st QUESTION: what is the most flow/drain rate you can get out of both of these without drilling them out wider?

 

[mflamb]

What size and how many holes are stock in those tanks?

 

[SPStoner]

Re: OPINIONS? AGA RR 210 or PERFECTO 220 RR

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14016560#post14016560 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MrineLfRlz
ok im going to be getting 1 or the other of these in the future and was wondering what one is the best choice " quality, price, longevity"?%%
1st QUESTION: what is the most flow/drain rate you can get out of both of these without drilling them out wider?

Both of these companies recommend a maximum of 750GPH per overflow unit. Each has two overflows, so 1500GPH max. Remember that is actual flow going through the overflows, so you could get a pump rated as high as 2000GPH most likely, taking into account head pressure, plumbing, etc.

Also, the limiting factor on both of these is more the overflow plastic itself, and not as much the hole or pipe- (the plumbing can handle more water than the overflow will allow)

As for a recommendation, I work for one of these companies so I'll leave that too others. I am most definitely biased

 

[mflamb]

I have a Marineland 300 gallon made by Perfecto. The quality of assembly appears excellent, and the 6 holes that I requested are all very smoothly drilled/cut, however they do it.

 

[Mikeeal]

I have a Perfecto 220. It's built well.

 

[MrineLfRlz]

thanks for the replys everyone

 

[MrineLfRlz]

Re: Re: OPINIONS? AGA RR 210 or PERFECTO 220 RR

Re: Re: OPINIONS? AGA RR 210 or PERFECTO 220 RR

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14017047#post14017047 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SPStoner
Both of these companies recommend a maximum of 750GPH per overflow unit. Each has two overflows, so 1500GPH max. Remember that is actual flow going through the overflows, so you could get a pump rated as high as 2000GPH most likely, taking into account head pressure, plumbing, etc.

Also, the limiting factor on both of these is more the overflow plastic itself, and not as much the hole or pipe- (the plumbing can handle more water than the overflow will allow)

As for a recommendation, I work for one of these companies so I'll leave that too others. I am most definitely biased

i was thinking about the mag24 because right now ive been using the mag18 on my current set up and with head pressure the mag 24 will be flowing around 1000 gph with 2 exits in the tank

 

[s ruppa]

i have the perfecto 220. a couple notes

i like the corner overflows. mine is in wall so you dont see them from the side. i think AGA's are now slightly away from the corners. in my eyes this uses up more realestate being away from the corners

i am not sure if the AGA has this ( my old one did not ) but the cover for the overflow slide off for easy cleaning. this is very cool

the build does seem a bit better than AGA. cleaner silicone lines

mine came with the overflow kits for the same price as a AGA with out. the kits are not hokey either. they are what you would be building anyway. durso style. but they were already cut and all the bushings and parts were included. not a hard task but one less thing you have to do

10 more gallons : )

as far as flow. i am using a reeflo dart and is opened up all the way. i know ther are a lot of debates on pipe size and max flow and i am clearly over what the drains should be able to handle.

the drain holes are both 1". i used a bushing and went up to 1.5" for my drains. i also used sweeping elbows instead or hard 90's. the elbows are still 90 degrees but have a sweep to them. i think they are drain waste and vent (DWV) instead of high pressure.

i still did put a ball valve on the output of my dart in case it was too much. if you are considering a mag i think you would need a ball valve and T to dump some water back inot your sump. mags output can not be valved down without damage to the pump. darts can. basically the same amount of water still needs to leave a mag you just put it some where other than your main. like back into your sump

hope this helps
steve

 

[MrineLfRlz]

thanks this is great info!

 

[MrineLfRlz]

well its been some time
i did go to the mag 24 and i did put the T for pressure release back to the sump
money problems stopped my upgrade so far and im having to upgrade very slowly

anymore opinions from anyone?

 

[fish-a-holic]

i have 2 aga 210s and an aga 29, an aga 37 and a perfecto 75... i love my aga's more than any other tank i have used besides obviously the custom built 500g.... every tank i have owned from the 10 gallons up, 55s 75s 125s have all been aga and i love them waaaaaayyyy more then perfecto, the glass is clearer, the construction is more durable but, the price is jus a smidge higher... imho totally worth it, i work for a lfs so i sell both completely unbiastly and i love my reps for both companies but i will never own another perfecto tank, sorry guys... on the flip-side all my filters are marineland... imo no better quality filter available remember i am the lfs manager so i have used everything on earth and u cannot beat a marineland bio-wheel or canister filter (for the cost)... idk jus my opinion

 

[nyvp]

if I may ask other then price why did you go for a mag 24?
when its almost 3 times the wattage and
adds heat from what I hear alot on this board?


Maximum Head: 18'
Maximum Flow: 2175 gph
Power: 265 Watts

instead of a Reflo snapper

Maximum Shut-Off Head: 11`
Maximum Flow Rate: 2500gph
Average Wattage: 98W

 

[lpsluver]

ok im going to be getting 1 or the other of these in the future and was wondering what one is the best choice " quality, price, longevity"?%%
1st QUESTION: what is the most flow/drain rate you can get out of both of these without drilling them out wider?

I just set up a Perfecto 220. I chose it over the AGA because the overflows are in the corner making aquascaping easier and the holes in the overflow accommodate 1" lines, all 4 of them. I think the AGA has holes for 3/4" returns and 1" overflows (but I am not 100% sure).

 

[emoore]

i still did put a ball valve on the output of my dart in case it was too much. if you are considering a mag i think you would need a ball valve and T to dump some water back inot your sump. mags output can not be valved down without damage to the pump. darts can. basically the same amount of water still needs to leave a mag you just put it some where other than your main. like back into your sump

hope this helps
steve

I don't think this is true. At least in my case I have a ball valve with my Mag 7 and it is about 3/4 open. It has been that way for 5 years and the pump is still running strong.

 

[68sting]

I would get an oceanic 215 with starphire non reef ready. I would drill the back and added an external overflow box. If I had to do it over again that's what I would do.

 

[fishybudguy]

when running pumps think about a dart they pump more and use les energy

 

[Swoop]

I would get an oceanic 215 with starphire non reef ready. I would drill the back and added an external overflow box. If I had to do it over again that's what I would do.

Good luck with that. According to my LFS Oceanic has discontinued the 215 and as of two weeks ago there were two left in the entire country and neither one had the Starphire front. Hence why I upgraded to a 300 gallon Deep Dimension by Marineland.

Also perhaps someone can explain to me the obsession people on Reefcentral have with trying to get a gazillion gallons of flow using their overflows and return pump. The only thing you should be using your overflows and return pump for is to get adequate turnover down to your sump to keep the water clean.

IMO you should be using a CL or in tank powerheads to generate your flow.

I know there is not hard fast rule but to me even 5 times turnover per hour of your water from your tank to your filter system is overkill. Anything more than that and your filtering clean water over and over. If your having to get more turnover than that to your sump and back to keep your water clean then IMO your bio load is to heavy and your feeding to much. But that's just my opinion and everyone has one and then some

Oh and as for a return pump you might want to take a look at the ATB Flowstars. Been reading good reviews on them. They can be throttled back with ball valves on the return side without hurting the pump and they use very little electricity.

 

[MrineLfRlz]

if I may ask other then price why did you go for a mag 24?
when its almost 3 times the wattage and
adds heat from what I hear alot on this board?


Maximum Head: 18'
Maximum Flow: 2175 gph
Power: 265 Watts

instead of a Reflo snapper

Maximum Shut-Off Head: 11`
Maximum Flow Rate: 2500gph
Average Wattage: 98W

i got a great deal on used
but mine doesnt seem to add anymore heat that ive noticed
besides snappers go for 300+ and mag 24 200
dont get me wrong though reeflos are great! and i may use these when i get the money but like i said i got the 24 used for a great price so i stuck with this type of pump besides i never had a problem with my mag18

 

[MrineLfRlz]

another question
i would love to put in a CL when i upgrade but if you do this it will void the warranty or can you get the company of either one to do this in house?
i would also plumb my uv into this CL in stead of it being in the sump it will all be in wall so no problem hiding plumbing i just dont want to see much in the DT

 

[Swoop]

Not using the factory stand tends to void the warranty so I would imagine that drilling the tank would void it as well.

Just put a couple Vortechs in it and not have to worry about additional holes in the tank. Fewer the holes less chance for leaks .

Bulkheads aren't fullproof and can leak. I imagine that would be a pain in the rear to fix a leaking bulkhead in a closed loop.

You might be able to get one of them to drill additional holes, but I bet that ramps the price up a good bit. At that point you might be better off with a tank from a custom builder or like I said earlier a couple Vortechs.