ORA Hawkins Blue: Hardy or not?

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shelburn61

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Last week I picked up a few ORA frags via mailorder. 2 of these were Hawkins blue echinata. Within 24hrs BOTH showed RTN and were bare skeletons with 48hrs!!! The reason I ordered 2 Hawkins was to replace one a friend also had RTN.

I RARELY lose frags. 2 Plum Crazy, 1 Pearlberry, and 4 frags from another reefer all went in the same day. All but the Hawkins showed PE immediately and still look great.

Is this coral just very sensitive and prone to RTN?
 
well, hard to answer, at least for me, i have gone to my LFS store every week for about a month and saw 3 ORA blue echinata frags for sale, beign that they where expensive i could only watch, lol, well after fragging my corals i went to get some store credit and bought one of the frags, i had it for about 2 months now, i realize that they had the frag for 1 month plus my 2 months, so i can say its still alive, ORA corals are hardy and shouldnt RTN that fast, maybe param problem or maybe beign shocked by beign in a new tank, it could be a lot of reasons.....IMO most corals are sensitive but giving some care they will make it

sana
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13383664#post13383664 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sanababit
ORA corals are hardy and shouldnt RTN that fast, maybe param problem or maybe beign shocked by beign in a new tank, it could be a lot of reasons.....IMO most corals are sensitive but giving some care they will make it

sana
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I would usually agree, but it's pretty strange to lose 2 frags of the same species at once when others added at the same time do well...
 
shelburn61 I have experienced the same. I'm on my second one in a week (got replacement last night) The other 4 I picked up (Red planet, Voodoo blue, Ballina, Phils Granulosa) no issues. We shall see but IMO = sensitive.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13384463#post13384463 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tangdiver
Temp of bags that came in....temp can do it.

Hot or cold.

Grant
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A bit cool, but maybe 72F at the lowest. Packed with cold packs which seemed strange with only 80F high temps...

Cato,
How do you acclimate? Maybe this is key for the Hawkins?
 
no problems here with my hawkins...i was able to dip twice and put it in my tank np. there was a little burn on one of the tips but that was pretty much it.
 
ORA corals tend to be more hardy since they are aquacultured...I'm yet to really solidify this though. I have lost a couple, where as I never lose frags from fellow reefers from swaps, etc. IMO its something to do with the natural light supplementation they use.

On another note, the "Hawkins Blue" I believe is an A. echinata, which generally tend to be sensitive, as most "smooth skinned" acros are.

At this point though I'd lean toward where tangdiver was going, in thinking they were poorly shipped/packed. FWIW I rarely use ice-packs, even during summers and when shipping to Cali (I'm in MI). If I do use them, I wrap it very well, and I only use 1 small one.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13385819#post13385819 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Amphiprion
IMO/E, yes. I don't have problems with more "sensitive" corals either, like maricultured frags, etc.
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Neither do I. That's why this seems so strange. Guess I'll give it another shot...
 
I bought it from LA. When I received it, the frag are started pealing off. On the next day, it was bleached... I know ORA frags are quite hardy. I might be just unlucky.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13384770#post13384770 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by shelburn61

Cato,
How do you acclimate? Maybe this is key for the Hawkins?
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OK I lost the 2nd one also. I got mine from a LFS that have had them for weeks and were doing well. I typically temp acclimate for 1/2 hr or so then dip in Revive 1.5x rec strength for 10 min. Every other coral I have done this with have been no problems. It's just the Hawkins.

I am wondering if Revive does not agree with it...I may try one more and skip the Revive dip and see what happens. I'm really ticked now. I want to know what's up with this coral. I will say this...If I lose the 3rd one I am done with the Hawkins for good.
 
Mine started growing super fast...then i had to swap tanks due ato a crack........lost a few in the transition and my hawkins was one of them....I tried fragging ti up a coupel times to get it to stop.

THOUGHT it was a goner and nothing was left but I didnt remove the last few frags I cut.

Noticed this a couple weeks ago. :D its not much...but considering all visible flesh was gone, Im stoked and hopeful I can keep it going and not have to buy it again

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The Hawkins has always done pretty good by me... Its the Dustin's Deepwater I can't seem to keep... I've been through 1 1/2 frags so far.... The other half is still alive... But its not growing... :rolleyes:
 
I just got a frag a few weeks ago along with a few other ORA frags and two other non-ORA frags... no trouble whatsoever on my end even with 24 hours between being bagged and placed in my tank (couldn't get away from work on time :figures: )

I've been very lucky and had good PE on all frags I've placed in my tank within minutes most of the time... My ORA Nathan's Green even had PE in the bag :lol: Haven't lost anything yet even though I'm fairly new to SPS and my tank is fairly young and I'm lax on water changes...

It seems they are sensitive to something if you've lost more than 1 of them now (as have others) The question now becomes: what could be either lacking or extra in your tank that might be the cause, or are they more susceptible to shipping stress/pH change/Alk swing/temperature difference, etc. It could be that your parameters are just different than the originating tank, and A. echinata is more sensitive to any rapid changes
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13389024#post13389024 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Mykel Obvious

It seems they are sensitive to something if you've lost more than 1 of them now (as have others) The question now becomes: what could be either lacking or extra in your tank that might be the cause, or are they more susceptible to shipping stress/pH change/Alk swing/temperature difference, etc. It could be that your parameters are just different than the originating tank, and A. echinata is more sensitive to any rapid changes
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Agreed^^. Been checking all params and no swings. Everything is consistent. Alk=10.9, pH8.3 pm to 8.5day, temp 78-79 etc... There was no ship stress in mine. My LFS has had them for a couple weeks and they were good. I still have a gut feeling that they may be too sensitive to the ReVive dip I gave them. Just a gut feeling. I may test out my gut feeling one last time this afternoon and see for sure.
 
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