ORA Mandarin Dragonets!!!!!

Witnessed one eat pellets at the LFS today. The owner originally had it a 4'x4'x12" (my dream tank) and it would not eat frozen or pellets but it was destroying the pods. He removed it to a bare 10 gallon tank and within one hour it was eating NLS small fish pellets. He is also told me that he is receiving the ORA green mandarins on Tuesday. Also said swf.com will be getting a few for those whose LFS don't stock ORA.
 
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Mine died last night from starvation. Never saw him eat a thing. I tried everything from live brine to Rod's food. I even dosed the tank with tigger pods and increased phyto dosing.

I won't buy another one from ORA and am going to talk to my LFS about it. I hate to support WC, but atleast they eat.
 
Mine died last night from starvation. Never saw him eat a thing. I tried everything from live brine to Rod's food. I even dosed the tank with tigger pods and increased phyto dosing.

That's truly discouraging.

In my experience once a mandarin gets to a certain point, no amount of pods or food can bring them back. If they've gone off eating, its really hard to save them.
 
Well, mine died. I never once saw it eat, and I tried EVERYTHING that was recommended by ORA. I'm sure there is no refund, and it is truly discouraging, however, I feel worse for the fish. Let's hope ORA's future endevours don't end up like this.
 
Got one last week and dont believe the hype, he picks at the rocks but does not eat prepared or frozen yet his only comp is 2 bw clowns that are really small.

Glad ora is trying to conserve the wild population but imo not much difference in hardiness between the 2 .
 
rgonzalez and Ben31045, that sucks. Sorry to hear that. :(

My mandarin is still hanging in there, but I only see him once every few days. He looks pretty alert, so the little bastidge must be eating something...I hope he's not just cleaning me out of pods.

I wonder if ORA might have jumped the gun a little on this one. It's a worthy endeavor that should be continued, but I think this program needs some fine-tuning, even if it had meant that the release had to be delayed by another year or more.
 
Can someone say RECALL? I will be waiting this out, before i get one.

I doubt they'll recall them. After all, they *were* eating at ORA and some hobbyists have gotten them back on pellet. I think something is happening in the transition to make a percentage go off prepared food and possibly food altogether. At the size we're dealing with, they can't go hungry for long before mortality is a concern. I've seen a mandarin starve in a tank full of pods. Once they go off food it can be hard to get them eating again.

While I agree that it might have been better to let a few generations mature before releasing them to consumers, the growth rate of mandarins is such that financially it might not have been feasible. I hope we, as a hobby, can work with ORA to make this a success. A truly CB and pellet-weaned mandarin would be such a wonderful addition to the growing ranks of captive bred fish.
 
Lost mine today. He never even showed any interest in any of the foods recommended, and I tried them all. He was one of the first ones sold and must have starved to death. He and a pair of onyx clowns were the only fish in a 70 gallon reef.
 
My LFS said that they are getting the second batch of spotted mandarins and the BLUE mandarins this week (wends is delivery day). Now, with all the deaths, I'm worried at picking one up now.
 
That's really sad news. With them dying so close together it sounds like the ones that didn't appear to be eating really weren't eating anything, not even copepods.

I'm curious as to the cause of their refusal to eat. It could be that mandarins are simply very poor shippers. Lots of WC don't make it either. So perhaps these fish are easily stressed beyond recovery. The long supply chain between the wild and the destination tank could give more chances to "screen out" the ones that don't make it, thus somewhat masking their fragility.

Or perhaps it has something to do with the food they were raised on. Mr Wittenrich raised his first batch on wild plankton, which includes a wide range of prey species for the larvae. But he observed that they could be raised on rotifers alone (though with much higher larval mortality). If ORA raised these mandarins on rotifers alone perhaps that has caused unexpected problems in these young fish. Mandarin larvae in the wild probably eat a proportionally large amount of copepod nauplii and other nutritious prey items. By comparison rotifers have a very low nutritional value, especially the important fatty acids EPA and DHA, unless heavily enriched. EPA and DHA are important to the neural development of larval fishes, among other things. Perhaps the larval rearing foods used lead to weaker neural system development in these fish. With a weak neural system some of them might simply never recover from the stress of shipping.

It could also simply be a matter of not enough screening on ORA's part. Demersal spawners like ORA usually sells typically produce a smaller number of more highly developed larvae. But pelagic spawners like mandarins typically produce large numbers of poorly developed larvae. Perhaps that leads to a large yield of fish but with a larger percentage that need to be culled, and in the wild would be.

Whatever the cause is I hope ORA gets it under control so that they either improve the survival or bring the price down to be competitive with WC. I think aquaculture is the future of this hobby. But it's not going to entice enough people if the fish costs several times what WC do and don't necessarily have better survival.
 
You make some really good points. Maybe some of the ORA dragonets we're seeing that have failed to resume eating and thus perish are juveniles that would have been "culled" naturally in the wild.
 
sorry to hear the fish died. at least you did everything you can to save the fish.

A paper clip sharpened with sandpaper and tied to a bamboo shaft... :sad2:

See here: http://coralmorphologic.com/b/mandarinfishpart2

I find it hard to believe anyone would catch the fish in the wild one at a time. I don't usually believe everything I read on the internet. I lived in the Philippines for over 20 years, and I can say nobody there would ever be named ding dong. :) There is a very good reason internet links (even wikipedia) are not acceptable as references in academic research papers.
 
Wow! Three posted deaths. That's really sad. Certainly looks like a mis-step by ORA. I've had mine for 8 days now. Still haven't seen him eat but he is out in the open. I'm going away for work for a few days next week and wondering if I should take him out of the tank before I go. Maybe I'll but him in a breeder net and put some tigger pods in with him.
 
Just wondering how are you guys feeding your mandarins? I'd recommend getting a turkey baster and spray the food right in front of their face.
 
Success!! I traded in the target mandarin which never ate for a pair of the blues. They have been in the tank for a little over an hour and have both eaten pellets. Tried frozen mysid first, they showed more interest in frozen than the target ever did but did not eat any. Not expecting much, I tried the NLS small fish pellets and much too my surprise they immediately began eating. Never thought that seeing a fish eat would make my day so much better.
 
Just wondering how are you guys feeding your mandarins? I'd recommend getting a turkey baster and spray the food right in front of their face.

I've been using the Stop Aiptasia syringe applicator. It's the perfect size. The opening on my turkey baster is way too big and can't hold anything in.

But don't listen to me. My mandarin hasn't eaten yet. I've even shot a syringe full of tiger pods his way. What typically happens is I shoot Ova, chopped Hikari bloodworms or Cyclop-eeze in front of him. He ignores it. Then my blood shrimp, hermit crabs, and snails come over and he'll swim a few inches away to avoid being stepped on and crunched.
 
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