OT: AZ CCW Class $35 tomorrow

[HanoverFist]

You are responsible for any thing that arises while you are committing a crime. If you cause an accident - your fault. Your friend gets his face blown off - the one who survives fault. Been that way for well over a decade in the US.

Great law. They created the situation and they should be responsible for any outcomes because of it.

 

[Tucson Reef]

Bluelair, don't leave anything in your car at SW, they have a school for wayward kids there that spends time breaking into cars in SW's PL. As a CCW Instructor, if your instructor is good, you will come out amazed. Please get further training after from a good Instructor, the CCW is only basic rules and simple safety/handling and the 10 round target shoot. Learn avoiding, spotting and avoiding and what ifs. Practice handling with an unloaded firearm only.

 

[bluelair]

My truck was safe today, I parked in the 1st spot near the door and checked it. THere was an AJ police cruiser parked outside for most of the morning, that surely helped.

The class has been great.

There's one guy straight out of "Observe and Report" taking the class for his security guard job (he even mentioned how he liked to talk to the cops about what kind of bullets they use when they responded to calls while he was "on duty".) And the obligatory older lady. This one had recently acquired 4 pistols somehow, yet she seemed to be having trouble with the range qualification. I don't know if she made it, she was 2/5 on the paper with a laser sight (7/10 is passing) when I finished and I got the hell out of there before I needed stitches myself.

 

[Penguintheory]

The reason I keep my CCW current is for private sales. When I sell some one a firearm I ask to see there CCW because it lets me know they have passed a background and that is the only thing I can do to try to keep firearms in the hands of responsible americans.

 

[Mystik Koralz]

You are more likely to have the law side with you in a self defense case where you shot someone with your concealed weapon if you have proper training and know what used to be the law. You appear to be much more of a responsible member of society by having the certification. I don't have it, therefore I don't carry.

Actually, you're held to a higher standard of responsability. Unfortunately, when you can provide evidence of prior training it increases your liability. Not that I'm advocating ignorance...education is always the way to go...mostly..:fun2:

 

[Tucson Reef]

I don't agree

I don't agree

Actually, you're held to a higher standard of responsability. Unfortunately, when you can provide evidence of prior training it increases your liability. Not that I'm advocating ignorance...education is always the way to go...mostly..:fun2:

You are held to the same standard, but with proper training you are better equipted to make the right decisions. Remember this if nothing else "Whenever a firearm is drawn a crime has been comitted, either by you or the person that caused you to draw your firearm". Wife (also a CCW Instructor)and I used to take the DPS Istructor Training in Phoenix every year or so, they have an Attorney who helped put Title 13 together give a good part of the class. Some excellent info on the law and attitudes of LEO's and Prosecutors.

The most important lesson an Instructor can implant on a student is that it is better and a whole lot cheaper to avoid and walk away. A good Instuctor will teach you what to look for and how to avoid getting into a bad situation.

 

[azsrt]

That is precisely what my instructors drilled into us.

 

[evsalty]

The most important lesson an Instructor can implant on a student is that it is better and a whole lot cheaper to avoid and walk away. A good Instuctor will teach you what to look for and how to avoid getting into a bad situation.

My instructor kept repeating this over and over with almost every single scenario that he gave us. Even if the scenario resulted in a "legal draw" he still insisted that avoidance is the best option.

 

[bluelair]

That's very good advice, avoiding trouble, even if it means a verbal lashing or losing face is a lot better than the outcomes that will surely come from an escalation. That weapon and training is there to defend my life and my family's, period. Staying away from trouble, staying out of high crime areas, not making yourself a target or looking like a victim are always going to be your best defenses.

 

[Mystik Koralz]

You are held to the same standard, but with proper training you are better equipted to make the right decisions. Remember this if nothing else "Whenever a firearm is drawn a crime has been comitted, either by you or the person that caused you to draw your firearm". Wife (also a CCW Instructor)and I used to take the DPS Istructor Training in Phoenix every year or so, they have an Attorney who helped put Title 13 together give a good part of the class. Some excellent info on the law and attitudes of LEO's and Prosecutors.

The most important lesson an Instructor can implant on a student is that it is better and a whole lot cheaper to avoid and walk away. A good Instuctor will teach you what to look for and how to avoid getting into a bad situation.

Unfortunately no instructor can insure the response of any one student. Intructors know, the liability in advanced training or certification in any area of use of force is much higher in those trained and certified.
Example: A Police Officer receives constant training and recertification in several aspects of handling volatile situations. Due to there training they are held to a higher expectation of there use of force. They are expected to know and understand there use of force continuum. If a person trains in martial arts or boxing and goes out to a bar and beats someone’s head in they will be judged according to there use of force and training. If someone is a certified gun owner who has docked several hours of class time and certification, they will be expected (reasonably)to understand AZ gun law and self defense use(more so than a person(s) who has not). I’m not in any way advocating ignorance or for anyone to not be educated in these fields, just giving a perspective.