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Sherie,
I don't think any of us on here are advocating beating your kids on a regular basis and my personal feeling is that a spanking or something should only be a last resort. I agree with SacramentoDOTS's statements about using it as a last resort when/if you have a physically restrain an out-of-control kid. Many of us on here too can list out all of our credentials for the work we do, I just don't see the point in doing so.
I do commend you though for teaching your children about right and wrong and the proper use of, and respect for, firearms. I personally think that should also be taught in public schools along with the sex ed and banana-condom classes.
Yep, guess it is Friday, huh?
I don't think any of us on here are advocating beating your kids on a regular basis and my personal feeling is that a spanking or something should only be a last resort. I agree with SacramentoDOTS's statements about using it as a last resort when/if you have a physically restrain an out-of-control kid. Many of us on here too can list out all of our credentials for the work we do, I just don't see the point in doing so.
I do commend you though for teaching your children about right and wrong and the proper use of, and respect for, firearms. I personally think that should also be taught in public schools along with the sex ed and banana-condom classes.
Yep, guess it is Friday, huh?
sinaloa213
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my thought is if i had $500 to drop i would do it since i already got the hd tv
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Nu2SW
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I know this may sound weird but I agree with sherie and doug also.
I can say by experience, That when I did something that I shouldnt, My mother would spank me and/or ground me to my room for a day. THough that didnt do much, because I had a nintendo and a tv and VCR at the age of 8. They failed to take away those things. But As I got older I respectably understood and listened to them more.
As an adult and a parent, I do not do the same as my parents and grandparents did. I have not "spanked" my daughters and would only do so in some exterme case. My wife takes the stand on what sherie expresss' and to this date, it has worked great. However, If one of them grabs a knife while my wife is loading the dishwasher or something dangerous, My wife and I have smacked them on there hands.
But at the same Time I think that kids need to have some fear instilled in them. As in the form of, "crap if I do this, Dad is not going to be happy and i am going to be in so much trouble."
My wife tell my oldest, if she doesnt listen she gets her movies taken away. WOrks great, shes almost 3. Lets hope that works when she gets older.
Because I will say this much, If i actually had to spank my daughters on the rear, across the back or head ( like Ive gotten done to me as a child) I would feel horrible and have such a guilty feeling.
I can say by experience, That when I did something that I shouldnt, My mother would spank me and/or ground me to my room for a day. THough that didnt do much, because I had a nintendo and a tv and VCR at the age of 8. They failed to take away those things. But As I got older I respectably understood and listened to them more.
As an adult and a parent, I do not do the same as my parents and grandparents did. I have not "spanked" my daughters and would only do so in some exterme case. My wife takes the stand on what sherie expresss' and to this date, it has worked great. However, If one of them grabs a knife while my wife is loading the dishwasher or something dangerous, My wife and I have smacked them on there hands.
But at the same Time I think that kids need to have some fear instilled in them. As in the form of, "crap if I do this, Dad is not going to be happy and i am going to be in so much trouble."
My wife tell my oldest, if she doesnt listen she gets her movies taken away. WOrks great, shes almost 3. Lets hope that works when she gets older.
Because I will say this much, If i actually had to spank my daughters on the rear, across the back or head ( like Ive gotten done to me as a child) I would feel horrible and have such a guilty feeling.
Several accounts in the news of violence concerning PSP3s.
At some store people were mugging folks waiting in line for the consoles. 3 am and everyone has $600 on them. Someone refused to comply and got shot.
Some teenager assaulted an old lady in the parking lot when she refused to sell her console to him.
Folks have been getting injured left and right in races for the consoles.
We talking monkeys can be pretty insane and stupid sometimes.
At some store people were mugging folks waiting in line for the consoles. 3 am and everyone has $600 on them. Someone refused to comply and got shot.
Some teenager assaulted an old lady in the parking lot when she refused to sell her console to him.
Folks have been getting injured left and right in races for the consoles.
We talking monkeys can be pretty insane and stupid sometimes.
dots
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Not wierd, I am often to sides of the coin on the same page.
I was try to convey that I was more on the middle ground and wanted to say that there would be times, when one as a parent would need to instill the will of the parent on the child and back up the statement "because I told you so"........
In my own crazy understanding and opinion, and to help clarify:
I believe respect is earned and a created ideal used as a chain of command in less evolved cultures. Often cruel and heartless, the pack mentality has one goal.....pack survival. Before one can have respect, listen,learn from elders, become socialized, and consequently brought into the pack that there will be a point when your authority will be challenged and you must prove yourself as parent/alpha. My opinion is that at a certain point in ones life, one does not have the capacity for the concept of respect. I believe that the nurturer model is based on that respect and requires it for success, (ie: we have all seen adults trying to rationalize with a screaming toddler and not getting anywhere at that moment), because of this dependency for respect for the philosophy to work, it fails during that time, but is the best mode of efficient socialization overall.
It is my theory that to correct this behavior, one must instill some kind of limit in the mind of the child, and fear is a pretty basic one that we learn fairly young. When a child becomes irrational and decides to act "deevlolved" by acting irrationaly, the parent would need to go to a more basic and extreme method of control by resorting to "dog mentality" and use the "whip" rather than the "carrot".
I think its better to be more versatile and have more tools in your tool box and know when to use them, because polarized viewpoints irk me, and few things in life are 100% one way or the other.
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JeffReef
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8570060#post8570060 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by H20Sidhe
I disagree so strongly with all of you (intellectually & emotionally) that I am shaking right now.
Discipline is crucial in child rearing. Clear rules and consistent discipline.
However, discipline and physical punishment are NOT synonymous. In fact, in study after study it has been shown that physical punishment will cause short term behavior changes only and many other secondary undesirable results. Physical punishment applied inconsistently is usually indirectly responsible for the type of morals mentioned in the first post of this thread.
My credibility comes from my degree in psychology, my MD degree, my experience as a mother, and anecdotal evidence. Not to mention my experience as a firearms instructor.
Most of us were physically abused. We grew up in an era when parents didn't know any better. In that era smoking was also acceptable. Science has shown us that the violence in the world today can be traced directly to people who were raised with violence. Can't we learn a better way?
We have a responsibility to our children and to the future of the world as a whole to make sure we discipline our children consistently and model for them non-violent conflict resolution. It takes much more thought to devise fitting consequences for broken rules than it does to just whallop them. But I implore you all to try it. I assure you that it is worth the extra work. Beating someone smaller than you does NOT teach respect. It teaches fear. Do you admire a bully? Hitting a child because you are angry or because you are scared shows everyone that you have no self control. It teaches children that they don't need to learn self control.
it wouldn't hurt any of you to take a parenting class - or a class in child development - or child psychology. It wouldn't hurt you (or your offspring) to try consistent non-violent discipline.
Those of you who know me know that I usually ignore threads where people are spouting ignorant. But this topic is too important to ignore. I am not representing myself as a perfect parent. BUT: does anyone here have a problem with the behavior of any of my 3 children?
Oh and BTW - all of my offspring can shoot accurately & handle firearms SAFELY, they have all played GTA, and I am friend to all of them.
I'm one of those kids that got whipped by my dad as a child. My legs and butt used to have welt marks everytime I was disiplined with a belt or a rolled up news paper. Needless to say, I hated him for that.
My mom, on the other hand, was very nice to me. Even when I would act up as a child, she would kindly discipline me. She would explain why I shouldn't do such things and how she loves me dearly. She never physically or verbally hurt me even when she's disappointed on what I've done.
Well, I'm now 32 and I think I turned out well. I'm very close to my mom and I'm glad she raised me the way she did. I wish I could say the same for my dad.
Children will do childish things regardless of what we try to explain to them. The part of their brain that helps them with reasoning takes years to develop. And spanking a six or seven year old child is really doing more harm than good.
I'm trying to follow my mom's footsteps in disciplining my son. Why? Because I love him and I want him to feel loved. The last thing I want, 30 years from now, is for my son to hate me as I hated my dad.
Spanking has a place..... but that's another story. j/k
Yes, I did do some cold water marine when I lived back in Maine. When I was getting my BS in marine ecology I was helping out a friend of mine who built a 500 gallon cold water display tank for our science building as his senior thesis project. We made a lot of fake rockwork from styrofoam block and fiberglass resin etc. Unfortunately, cold water "live rock" is usually granite boulders. Anyway, it did look really cool, at least until the tunicates spawned and settled inside the chiller pipes and killed the chiller!
PS - is this what is considered "hijacking" a thread?
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