Outdoor Aquarium?

Ted_C

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I'm fairly busy at work - but I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on this. I may not be able to circle back right away.

What do you all think of running an aquarium (~ 300 gallon saltwater SPS reef tank) outside - in the shade in a screened in enclosure (a porch)?

I realize heaters and chillers are a must in such an environment to keep the tank at 78 degrees. I plan on a screen top and metal halide / fluorescent combo lighting.

The house I bought doesn't have a perfect place to put the aquarium that I can tell (at least not in the living room) - I could put it in a bedroom I guess.

Outside would be perfect though.

Thoughts? Thanks!
 
That wouldn't be very cost efficient. you'd need a couple of chillers and would be subject to a lot of unnecessary environmental conditions. Your power bill would be interesting too...
 
I agree with chad. The power bill for heating and cooling would be too much for me.

I have my sump outside and keep my tank at 78 with just a fan. But the sump is in a 4 inch thick insulated box with styrofoam covering. Of I take the cover off in the summer it creeps up faster than a fan can handle. Same goes with heating (if) when winter comes.
 
Wow shows what u know. Agreed it's not the norm but can be done. Your approach to his question was pretty rude for no reason.

Ted I have seen this done. A friend of mine had a 600 gal 10ft tank on his back porch. Ran it for maybe 10 years out there. He didn't keep coral in this tank just fish. I would imagine sps would be difficult. I would say u may want to think about enclosing the porch area and insulate the walls then u would be good to go. Not that pricey to do either if u r willing to do some labor.

Roger
 
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*** cuzza? Your post is abusive and has been reported to mods.

Please feel free to keep your opinion to yourself in the future (if you have a future here on rc) on my posts.
 
I have actually seen quite a few outdoor tanks. As long as you insulate the roof of your patio and it doesn't get 110 degrees plus out there, a strong chiller and a few fans should do fine.. A few 300w+ heaters and you will be good for winter too. Control it all with an apex or a reef keeper and you will set it and forget it.
 
Tedc I apologize. It was rude. I wasn't in a great mood and should have refrained from saying that.

However, here are my thoughts... All the time I continue to see articles of more and more pressure on our worlds natural reefs and increased pressure from environmental lobbyists demanding that our hobby be banned altogether. I've read that nearly half of the fish and corals collected die before they ever make it to our tanks. We are seeing specific species being decimated by collection. For example Bangaii Cardinals are on the verge of being banned and reports that Regal Tangs are suffering. Disney's "Finding Dori" which will be released next year isn't going to help either.

So my point is as responsible reefers we should be doing everything we can to insure these animals will survive. A tank outdoors is doomed and will likely result in death of all of the inhabitants at some point. Whether it be from heat, cold, pesticides, fertilizers, etc. Of course it can be done, but for how long is questionable. An outdoor tank is one heater or chiller failure away from a quick death or a neighbor spraying pesticides on their property and polluting your tank.

Also, in my experience, I have learned sps are ridiculously super sensitive. The smallest change in my tank and they don't look happy, fortunately I have yet to lose any sps, but at times I'm staring at them saying, "what is your problem!!!" You'll likely experience a lot of changes and inconsistency with an outdoor tank. Hell, even marinas with outdoor bait wells can barely keep bait alive for long periods of time and they are pumping fresh ocean water through there systems constantly.

A lot of people look to this site for advice and/or validation to do something and I think this is a bad idea. I'm always impressed to see others who have the same tank going for 10, 20, even 40 years with the inhabitants living complete full lives. So to setup a system that will likely at some point crash and burn is not very responsible and just fuels the lobbyists fire.
I wouldn't do it.

Again I'm sorry for my rude comment and I hope you'll accept my apology. It wasn't good decorum on my part.
 
+1 cuzza. If you don't have the room inside for a 300g why don't you just go smaller and not risk the failure of an outside tank.
 
Ted Maybe you could modify a wall inside to the garage and build a small insulated air conditioned room that`s what i did my tank is inside my house and on the backside my plumbing goes through to the garage where my sump and water changing tanks are all kept in the same temp as the house in the air conditioned room,,, i just ran a duct out of my air handler mixing box no need for extra air conditioner
 
I had a heater malfunction and kept my Red Sea at a temp of 94 degrees for almost a full 24 hours. Aside from things being ****ed off for a day or two nothing died and all my fish survived.
 
I'd just make sure to get a controller that can alert you via text if the temperature gets out of range. Possibly run two chillers or have an extra one just in case one fails.

You could always get a sunroom made, I'd be tempted to have a sun lit tank if it was going to be outside or in a sunroom.
 
Liquid perhaps you were lucky, but a search on this site will show countless tanks that were nuked in a day by a heater malfunction.

Additionally, we're talking outdoors in Florida. We've had 95 degree weather the past couple months and it's going to continue for another month or two. We're also coming in to thunderstorm season. I've lost power multiple times in the past few months. So even if you had 10 heaters and 10 chillers none of that matters when the power goes out for a day. Of course Murphy says it's going to go out the minute you leave for work or go on vacation. So unless your going to buy a huge battery backup system ($$$), there's no way your powering heaters and/or chillers, as the wattage consumption are too great.

Conversely, lets look at winter in Florida. I'm confident in saying that when the power goes out and it's 30-40 degrees outside an outdoor tanks temp is going to drop extremely fast killing all of the inhabitants, especially any sps corals.

Finally, there's the high possibility of pollution. I thought about running my skimmer air line to the outside of my home to help raise pH, but after talking with some of the experienced LFS owners around here, the results would be negligible and only introduce the risk of contaniments entering my system. In fact, as I treat my property with pesticides or watch and smell my neighbors yard get bombed by Trugreen I always think to myself, I'm glad I asked and didn't do that. Now, look at a tank and sump and skimmer outside and think about Trugreen or any other lawn care company spraying liquid fertilizer and pesticides on a windy day and that contaminant getting into your system. It may be good if you have red bugs, but I guess at that point it wouldn't matter because everything would be dead. Also, the county indiscriminately bombs entire areas for mosquito control. I can't imagine that would be good for an outdoor tank either.

Again, it's a setup that is more likely to fail at some point so why bother. Now if you're willing to spend some serious money on life support, for example, multiple heaters, chillers and a battery backup bank on a transfer switch and somehow design it in such a way that pollution can't make it's way in, then perhaps the odds of success would increase enough to give it a shot. But after all the money spent on that setup, just build an in wall addition on your home for the tank. Then you can actually enjoy it during the dog days of summer and brisk winter days. I mean ultimately isn't that why we have a "display" tank to begin with... To look at it.
 
Ted, if you want to do this, I think you should consider building an insulated enclosure for the tank, effectively making it an in wall build on your porch. That way you could install a mini split that would heat and cool the space and provide easier and more consistent temperature control without killing your electric budget. Depending on the amount of space you have to work with, you could even have a little utility sink, etc. installed in that area and have a pretty nice setup without some of the environmental concerns.
 
I didn't have time to finish reading that post got to 10 heater and chiller and power outage. They make whole house generators that turn on automatically when the powers out. Let's just say this yes Ted it's possible but will need much more $$$ to have many backups and power consumption. As I said a friend of mine did it for 10 years it is possible but probably r better options
 
I don't think my outdoor live rock tubs ever go above 80. They are under a large carport. You can buy a few degrees with fans by increasing evaporative cooling. I have toyed with the idea of setting up some grow out bins next to the rock.

Cuzza has some valid concerns about environmental pollution. If you are using fans to cool, you increase the risk of contamination.
 
The tank isn't impossible and with diligent forethought can be successful if corners are not cut.

Off the cuff examples,

  • If the local geology permits, heat management can be assisted with a subterranean conduit system which will lessen the the size of the heat pump needed to maintain normal aquarium temperatures.
  • Use of natural lighting via "Solar-Tubes" or Skylights to reduce electrical consumption. More eye-pleasing supplemental spectrum can easily be provided for by standard aquarium lighting choices. IMO, LED arrays would make the most sense due to their lower heat and energy consumption.
  • Either a professional or DIY air-scrubber should be installed to prevent environmental contamination. Designs and reviews are plentiful.

Will it cost a bundle to get running correctly, yes. Doesn't need to cost a fortune to keep running, not necessarily.
 
Yea or like roger said close in the porch and make it a relax/beer drinking pad and throw a cheap AC unit in there to keep in at 78 add a ceiling fan and bam you have a sweet new man cave (reefer addict addition)
 
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