LiquidCache
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My main point was, if you have it shaded there's no reason it should go over 80-85 degrees.
Outdoor Aquarium?
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Ted_C
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lol - thanks everyone. I'm single - so the whole house is my man-cave.
A build off the garage is not an option. it borders the master bedroom and the kitchen. no border to the living room.
Subterranean loops and solar heating had never occurred to me. Great ideas.
The roof of the outdoor porch is indeed insulated.
The new house:
http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1395-Lemon-St_Clearwater_FL_33756_M53776-41848
Pictures of the house. You can tell from the later pics in the link above how tight it is.
Environmental factors are certainly an issue. you can't tell your neighbors what to spray or not and they wouldn't care if you did.
How annoying would it be to have metal halides or even leds running outside - shining in your window from a neighbor's house?
Thanks for being more courteous Cuzza. I appreciate your input. I understand completely what you are saying. There are many risks - but how are they different than every day normal risks? If we lose power tomorrow - everyone's tank is running up into the 90's as their house heats up from lack of AC. Same in the winter - we all mostly run on electric heating - if the power goes out - your stuck with a 60 degree tank.
From what I can tell - my risks that are outside of a normal operator in a house that would put the lives of my stock in danger are broken equipment - like a failing chiller(s) or heater(s). those risks can be mitigated via redundancy. The one risk I cant mitigate is neighbors spraying chemicals, pesticides, paints, etc.
While John mentions an air scrubber - that would mean the entire aquarium and sump would need to be air tight (for the most part). that wasn't part of my plan - but I may consider it.
A build off the garage is not an option. it borders the master bedroom and the kitchen. no border to the living room.
Subterranean loops and solar heating had never occurred to me. Great ideas.
The roof of the outdoor porch is indeed insulated.
The new house:
http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1395-Lemon-St_Clearwater_FL_33756_M53776-41848
Pictures of the house. You can tell from the later pics in the link above how tight it is.
Environmental factors are certainly an issue. you can't tell your neighbors what to spray or not and they wouldn't care if you did.
How annoying would it be to have metal halides or even leds running outside - shining in your window from a neighbor's house?
Thanks for being more courteous Cuzza. I appreciate your input. I understand completely what you are saying. There are many risks - but how are they different than every day normal risks? If we lose power tomorrow - everyone's tank is running up into the 90's as their house heats up from lack of AC. Same in the winter - we all mostly run on electric heating - if the power goes out - your stuck with a 60 degree tank.
From what I can tell - my risks that are outside of a normal operator in a house that would put the lives of my stock in danger are broken equipment - like a failing chiller(s) or heater(s). those risks can be mitigated via redundancy. The one risk I cant mitigate is neighbors spraying chemicals, pesticides, paints, etc.
While John mentions an air scrubber - that would mean the entire aquarium and sump would need to be air tight (for the most part). that wasn't part of my plan - but I may consider it.
ichthyman
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My approach would be to make the enclosure housing the aquarium and it's apparatus air tight, or close as possible.
bmullikin1
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Does the house come w the boat and the harley, what about the back wall by the sliders, if not how about inclosing the back patio w windows and run portable ac or wall unit, then you could use solar tubes w leds to light it.
ChadRaay86
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Put it in the wall to the right of the sliding door in the living room. Then build a small enclosure around it on the outside that allows you to control the environment. Other than that it doesn't look like there's a great location for a big tank.
You're welcome. That was my bad.
I agree we all have that risk, but I think the risk of losing power would have a greater effect on a tank outdoors than one that was sitting in a comfy 75 degree home. At least being inside buys some time to rectify the situation with a generator.
So looking at the pictures why couldn't you lose the couch against the wall in the living room? Especially if it's just you an no wife to demand otherwise.
The simplest thing to do if it must be on the porch is convert the porch to a Florida Room.
However, if that's not an option, looking at a different picture of the porch... Perhaps you could have an air tight tank on the wall with the clock and depending on what's on the other side of that wall keep all of your life support in a bench/chest/stand inside (would make maintenance easier). This would also make it much easier for you to seal as you would only need to contend with the top of the tank and the plumbing going through the wall. You could probably seal a canopy on there very easily with some sort of diy gasket or rubber and have it on some sort of decorative pulley to lift it so you could work inside the tank. If feasable, you could also run some small flexible dryer vent duct work from inside and deliver fresh ac to the tank through the wall and canopy, finishing the inside with some drywall work or a small fan covered by a vent cover so it wouldn't be unsightly. You would need a check valve on the canopy to release the air pressure. Also, like John suggested I think LEDs are the only play here.
And like you said, equipment redundancy and an Apex on a UPS to alert you of a power failure with a generator on the ready. And speaking of generators, Mobil on Alt 19 and Curlew sells ethanol free fuel. I do not put anything other than ethanol free fuel in all of my small engines and boat.
Just some suggestions to make it work and keep everything alive for a long time. An interesting thread to say the least. Never would have thought of subterranean climate control. Very interesting idea, John. I know they do this for ac units and it would be perfect for a tank, minus the jack hammering of a concrete floor.
Reefpilot11
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Dude you could totally put that in the living room if it's only you there don't you think?
schudini
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I can't believe nobody else has suggested it already...
two words...
SALTWATER POOL!!! :idea:
You would never get harassed by tang police
Nice house by the way. Congrats on the purchase :beer:
You could always just use the pool as a heatsink/source for temperature buffering. Think of a large liquid/liquid intercooler pipe.
two words...
SALTWATER POOL!!! :idea:
You would never get harassed by tang police
Nice house by the way. Congrats on the purchase :beer:
You could always just use the pool as a heatsink/source for temperature buffering. Think of a large liquid/liquid intercooler pipe.
Ted_C
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thanks for the input everyone. I really appreciate your thoughts.
It'll probably be a year or two until my savings recovers enough to allow me to build out my dream tank. After reading the poll too on the 265/300DD - it has me rethinking what kind of tank I really want - a 300DD that's easier to light but harder to work in or a 8 foot 300 that's harder to light but easier to work in. I'm definitely leaning to the 8 foot tank and two very expensive light fixtures.
The outdoor aquarium just doesn't seem feasible - I don't think I can build canopy's and stands to be air tight. What I've decided is taking the third bedroom and making that my office / aquarium room. Water change station will be outside - but everything else will be indoors.
The saltwater pool - I am planning on upgrading the filtration / chemicals to saltwater - but I've looked into this before - the logistics of making the pool an aquarium are extremely difficult. Think of a saltwater pond - there are no examples of anyone who'd done this. The only example I ever saw was a person buried a glass aquarium into the dirt. Evaporation and top off and water changes are just astronomical in price and effort.
Thanks again for the input.
It'll probably be a year or two until my savings recovers enough to allow me to build out my dream tank. After reading the poll too on the 265/300DD - it has me rethinking what kind of tank I really want - a 300DD that's easier to light but harder to work in or a 8 foot 300 that's harder to light but easier to work in. I'm definitely leaning to the 8 foot tank and two very expensive light fixtures.
The outdoor aquarium just doesn't seem feasible - I don't think I can build canopy's and stands to be air tight. What I've decided is taking the third bedroom and making that my office / aquarium room. Water change station will be outside - but everything else will be indoors.
The saltwater pool - I am planning on upgrading the filtration / chemicals to saltwater - but I've looked into this before - the logistics of making the pool an aquarium are extremely difficult. Think of a saltwater pond - there are no examples of anyone who'd done this. The only example I ever saw was a person buried a glass aquarium into the dirt. Evaporation and top off and water changes are just astronomical in price and effort.
Thanks again for the input.
TampaSnooker
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Didn't the owners of Reefs2go have a pool that was converted to salt water for culturing live rock and some coral propagation? Been several years - had anyone been out there while it was operational?
