Oyster Reef Ecosystem Tank

Thank you my brother. PaulB says that where he lives on Long Island, “the grass shrimp are so thick that they take turns to get in the water”. To make that type of a claim sounds like a Texacan,

That is funny! They get pretty thick at my collecting spot, depending where I scoop with my dipnet. Once scoop of any aquatic vegetation will bring in hundreds of grass shrimp. Shrimp salad!

BTW, I put 30 shrimp in each of my tanks. In the tank where I house my fish, I have about 7 left. In my 20g high, no fish, there are at least 25 left. I know that a few died because they went carpet surfing. Another cool thing about them is that if I don't feed the tank, they eat algae and cyano! You can tell because their digestive tract is transparent, so you can see what they eat, and when they eat cyano, their stomachs are cyano red!

My takeaway, however, is that you'd need thousands of shrimp in the tank to make a dent in the cyano if using them to control it is your goal. They just don't eat enough of it fast enough.
 
Oh, and another observation... I used to feed the 20g high heavily with flakes, pellets and oyster feast. There was a buildup of detritus from the heavy feeding and also from dead macroalgae that decomposed. The clean up crew of grass shrimp, mud crabs, amphipods and bristleworms have eaten almost all of it. The sand is almost clean now. Pretty cool!
 
Your system is a "œla natural", I love it. The fact that you collect such neat things and bring them into your ecosystem by itself is a milestone. Getting past the larvae stage is the challenge.

I have fifth generation marine mollies in outside mariculture tanks buried in the ground. Green Mollies are caught in the wild in both fresh and marine environments.

I agree, this system is really interesting.

And very cool that you've been successful at breeding saltwater mollies too! I have tried a couple times to acclimate them to saltwater, thought I succeeded, but they all died within a couple days. Next time I will have to try giving them more like a week (vs 1 day) to ramp up the salinity. Have read of other people finding it very easy to acclimate them even within 1 hour! Perhaps I'm just trying to wrong mollies? Should be able to do it with any species though...
 
I agree, this system is really interesting.

And very cool that you've been successful at breeding saltwater mollies too! I have tried a couple times to acclimate them to saltwater, thought I succeeded, but they all died within a couple days. Next time I will have to try giving them more like a week (vs 1 day) to ramp up the salinity. Have read of other people finding it very easy to acclimate them even within 1 hour! Perhaps I'm just trying to wrong mollies? Should be able to do it with any species though...


When buying mollies from hatcheries, the weak & strong survive because they are pampered. In the wild, the weak would have died during the first week. In my experience for 40 years with hatchery mollies is I lose 40-50% in the conversion after the first week. I drip acclimate store bought mollies for 6 hours and I adjust temperature and go straight in fresh to salt. Granted, the rush job killed more fish in first 24 hours but after two weeks, I saw no real change in survival rate. The strong survived and adjusted. I have had similar results with green mollies & grass shrimp living in fresh water environments. Of course, changing the adjustment over to a two week period would save more fish.
 
That is funny! They get pretty thick at my collecting spot, depending where I scoop with my dipnet. Once scoop of any aquatic vegetation will bring in hundreds of grass shrimp. Shrimp salad!

BTW, I put 30 shrimp in each of my tanks. In the tank where I house my fish, I have about 7 left. In my 20g high, no fish, there are at least 25 left. I know that a few died because they went carpet surfing. Another cool thing about them is that if I don't feed the tank, they eat algae and cyano! You can tell because their digestive tract is transparent, so you can see what they eat, and when they eat cyano, their stomachs are cyano red!

My takeaway, however, is that you'd need thousands of shrimp in the tank to make a dent in the cyano if using them to control it is your goal. They just don't eat enough of it fast enough.

Neat on the clear digestive tract. When I feed flake food that was differrent colors, you could see those colors inside of shrimp.
 
When buying mollies from hatcheries, the weak & strong survive because they are pampered. In the wild, the weak would have died during the first week. In my experience for 40 years with hatchery mollies is I lose 40-50% in the conversion after the first week. I drip acclimate store bought mollies for 6 hours and I adjust temperature and go straight in fresh to salt. Granted, the rush job killed more fish in first 24 hours but after two weeks, I saw no real change in survival rate. The strong survived and adjusted. I have had similar results with green mollies & grass shrimp living in fresh water environments. Of course, changing the adjustment over to a two week period would save more fish.

That's a really good point. Perhaps I'll have to buy more like 10 the next time and see how it goes. Glad to hear that I'm not the only one trying it over the course of 1 day (or even hours). Given their life history strategy, it really should work if the fish are hardy.
 
I've never had any luck with Mollies. I think the current in my tank is too much for them while they're getting used to things. They get blown all over the place
 
That is funny! They get pretty thick at my collecting spot, depending where I scoop with my dipnet. Once scoop of any aquatic vegetation will bring in hundreds of grass shrimp. Shrimp salad!

BTW, I put 30 shrimp in each of my tanks. In the tank where I house my fish, I have about 7 left. In my 20g high, no fish, there are at least 25 left. I know that a few died because they went carpet surfing. Another cool thing about them is that if I don't feed the tank, they eat algae and cyano! You can tell because their digestive tract is transparent, so you can see what they eat, and when they eat cyano, their stomachs are cyano red!

My takeaway, however, is that you'd need thousands of shrimp in the tank to make a dent in the cyano if using them to control it is your goal. They just don't eat enough of it fast enough.

I grow them out here and sell to retail stores at $0.50ea as “janitor and feeder”.
 
I caught the skilletfish in the act of spawning yesterday. Both the male and female were in the shell together for about an hour and a half past the time that I first saw them. There were eggs on one shell half, so I'm not sure how long it took them to lay them. Anyway, despite their objection over the lack of privacy, I shot a video. A striped blenny was curious of the activity as well, looking for a cheap thrill, no doubt. Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZmTdnV31r0&t=5s
 
Right now, the biggest hold up is that I need to install a few new electrical lines to my tanks, one dedicated line in the rec room where my tanks are, and one or perhaps two in my basement where my sump will go, and other tanks. Other tanks? I'm thinking of building a stand with some grow out tanks for raising fry. Why the hold up? I'm cheap. My Father-in-law is a retired electrician and will help me do the electrical work so it follows code, but he is recovering from a health issue and it might be a few weeks before he can help me.

While typing this, I realized that when I talk about my fish fry, that I get hungry. I feel guilty. :fun4:

Regarding my FW tank, I have been putting off siliconing my background in place, out of fear, I think. I just need to do it and get it over with. To be fair, every time I have time to work on it, something else has come up, so I guess I shouldn't feel too guilty about it. This weekend, for sure, that will happen...a firm deadline.
 
I wish I could get more stuff done too. I'm cheap AND lazy! Plus, everything is always more complicated than I anticipate. Just when I think I'll make some real progress, something always comes up, adding complication. Then I spend the whole day addressing it, and never quite get to the thing I was planning to do! So I plod along. It's not that I'm in a big rush, but I'm anxious to get to the fun stuff, like filling the tank with life.
 
Last night, I removed the aluminum hanging strips from my new breeder cage. Then, I rigged the cage so that it would hang in my tank. I'm not happy with how it is working, so this weekend, I plan on designing a permanent solution. But, it is working as it should. I transferred as many fish fry that I could into the cage, and already, they've lived longer than any fry that I've kept so far. Now, my problem is that I don't have any live food sources other than what lives in the tank. Since barnacles and tunicates survive in my tank, then perhaps there is food for the fish too. I do have some frozen artemia nauplii that I fed them this morning. I read a blog about raising a similar species of clingfish (assuming these fry are skilletfish), and after four days, they were eating live artemia nauplii. I have a kit to hatch and start a culture, but I have yet to do so. I will start that up tonight.

I suspect that my filters and predation were the main causes of their previous disappearances.

So, that leaves me with two questions that the future will answer. First, can I raise these fish? Second, what species are they?

Eventually, I want to set up a tank to raise the fish fry. If I'm successful, I should have plenty to stock my larger tank, and also enough to give to my friends. I don't know what I'll do with them after that.
 
It's been a while since I posted about this aquarium. I had one sad set back. One of my male blennies all of a sudden became blind about three weeks ago. I discovered that he wasn't swimming out to accept food, and the other blennies were terrorizing him. And, after observing him for a while, I determined that he was blind. So, I moved him to my 20g high, away from the other blennies that picked on him and outcompeted him for food. From that point on, I fed him using a turkey baster, and he was much happier, just blind. That is, until a couple nights ago, where he acted very sick, swimming near the surface and breathing heavily. I suspect that some sort of disease overcame him, probably the one that I quarantined him from before, suggesting, perhaps, that his immune system was compromised. So, I euthanized him. I didn't feel much like writing about this, because I was pretty emotional about it. The other fish in my 20g long are all doing well and healthy.



I don't understand why this happened, and I may never know, but usually, this happens to fish that become malnourished. I think that the blindness was the result of that, but I have to wonder if an internal parasite may have been the root cause of the malnutrition, especially since, prior to this, the fish ate readily everything that I offered. I feed them quality food, either fresh or frozen. I don't feed them flakes or pellets at all, except when I'm on vacation. However, included in the mix of food were meals of frozen brine shrimp. I fed them frozen brine shrimp every third meal. I haven't heard of any studies on this, but some have suggested that, over the long term, fish that eat frozen brine shrimp sometimes become susceptible to blindness. Has anyone experienced this before? So, the only change that I've made over the past three weeks was to give up on the brine shrimp. I feed my fish frozen or fresh sea food now. The fish love it, but my wallet doesn't, especially with the food purchased at my LFS.



As far as the tank goes, all three species spawn about every three days to a week, depending on the species. All seem healthy and eat well. My attempt with the cage failed, not because of the cage, but probably the fish starved and need live food, not just frozen baby brine shrimp or oyster eggs. So, I'm going to set up a system to raise these fish soon, once I get some free time.



To keep this from being a depressing post, I included a video that I shot from a while back, showing my fish doing their thing. About 2/3 through the video, you'll see that two male blennies will have an encounter. The blenny that the camera is tracking changes coloration, one that is common after or during aggression with another blenny. You'll notice that the dorsal half of the fish, from the eyes back, becomes very dark, almost black. This is an indicator of an aggressive mood in these fish. I haven't seen anyone document this before, so, there ya go, now it's documented :) This was after a feeding session, including a dose of Oyster Feast. I hope you like it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32yyttkv-V8&t=3s
 
Cool vid, as usual! Your tank is a showcase of your fish's behaviors. I can see how you'd spend hours watching. You've got your own custom soap opera!
 
Kevin,
I soo much enjoy the fact that collection is a large component of your Chesapeake Biotheme tank.

This past week, I saw a 2 hour special on the Chesapeake Bay area, starting with the Chesapeake Impact, 35 million years ago when the Eastern seaboard was a shallow ocean.
 
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