parasite guard

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All,

parasite guard by tetra seems to have all kinds of good elements for internal and external parasites. Does someone know why it says freshwater on it? Seems to me it could be used for both. Also, can it be mixed in with fish food?

thanks.
 
All,

parasite guard by tetra seems to have all kinds of good elements for internal and external parasites. Does someone know why it says freshwater on it? Seems to me it could be used for both. Also, can it be mixed in with fish food?

thanks.

I'd guess it says "freshwater" because it doesn't work in saltwater. What are you trying to treat?
 
Well, i was wondering why it does not work. It contains some great stuff: Active Ingredients: Praziquantel, Dflubenzuron, Metronidazole and Acriflavin. This would treat all kinds of things.
In many cases, specially when fish are still eating it is best to add these to the food. i was just curious that is all.
 
Well, i was wondering why it does not work. It contains some great stuff: Active Ingredients: Praziquantel, Dflubenzuron, Metronidazole and Acriflavin. This would treat all kinds of things.
In many cases, specially when fish are still eating it is best to add these to the food. i was just curious that is all.

Praziquantel is a de-wormer. Prazi-Pro is a good SW de-wormer that uses the same stuff. Its commonly used for flukes and other worm parasites. The other ingredients are an antibiotic, insecticide, and an anti-fungal med. Other than the Prazi; I sure see no value in using any of these as a preventative med. Just throwing meds at fish without symptoms, with a few exceptions, makes no sense to me. None of these ingredients (except the Prazi) do anything to kill the parasites SW hobbyists deal with. It almost sounds like a pondkeepers med.
 
I used to think the same thing. Then i started visiting some of the people responsible for feeding at the public aquariums. I always wondered how they kept thousands of fish in good shape yet a lot of us strugled with just a few. QT does not take care of everything. Even if it does 99%, well that means if a public aquarium has 10K fish then 100 of them will still be diseased when in the tank. Anyway, i was suprised to find out that a lot of them add chloroquine phosphate and metronidazole to the feed. Some even add praziquental. Prazi pro is not added to the food because of the alcohol but the powder is and some antibiotics are as well.
i don't have a huge aquarium by public aquarium standards but it is big enough that i can't catch sick fish. Also, I QTd everything, only bought fish from DD and still from time to time had issues. So, I have ozone (750 mg) , 450W UV and add medicine in the feed (for a week) after i see any signs. i don't ever have issues with ich but what i have seems like some sort of skin fluke that comes and goes. It never bothers the tangs but just the emperor and the queen and it only happens in two spots leaving a wound. i even bought an expensieve microscope to see if i could isolate the bug but no luck. All the fish have been doing well for the last four months and eat/beg all the time. i am always looking for new ideas to deal with fish and to deal with them before they get to the category of what i would call easy enough to catch or not eating.

i sold my wife on this hobby because it was supposed to be relaxing, all the fish illnesses have brought nothing but stress. It is kind of strange, for 12 years i never had a single issue. Then i moved and hattled issues for one and half years (different fish - total restart). i am hoping that problem is behind me but HOPE is the key word. Had it not beed for the previous expirence i would have quit given what i went throug the last year and half.

thanks.
 
You're right. QT won't catch everything. But not using a QT won't catch anything. Almost every parasite problem on the disease section of our forum could have been prevented by a good QT routine. Very seldom does a parasite problem ever appear after all fish have gone through a QT. Even then, the parasites can often be traced back LR, even coral, etc., that weren't put in a QT. Often, fish simply aren't in a QT long enough.
Public Aquariums do a lot of things that are just impossible/ impractical for the home hobbyist. Chloroquine phosphate is an excellent anti-parasite drug, so is quinine sulfate. but they are very hard to keep is suspension and its impossible for us to measure the actual water concentration of the drug. . Big facilities, I assume, have labs that can do this.I know a couple of SW aquaculture labs have this ability. We can use copper, hypo, or tank-transfer in a QT because we can very accurately measure Cu or SG. Dealing with parasites is a major PITA; but they don't have to be. UV & ozone may help a little and are great water clarifiers. However, IMO & IME, neither will prevent of cure a parasite infested tank. Neither will diet, garlic, any "reef safe" med, etc. A HT/QT and a fallow tank are the only way to permanently eliminate parasites. Parasites, like ich, may be manageable for a while, but can become a disaster as soon as the right stressor/conditions, or just timing come along. I can remember every damn detail of tearing apart a big tank with ich and finally getting rid of it. I haven't sen any contagious parasites in any of my tanks almost 20 years since I did this and became started to QT everything.
BTW, you mentioned DD and I think they have the best fish on the planet. Even DD strongly recommends that you use a QT regimen with their fish. here's another thread on the same subject, read post # 11 by hvacman250, this type of experience is very common. http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=19634484&posted=1#post19634484
 
I do not disagree with any of this. I have four QT tanks and QT all my fish for at least four weeks The problem is even through this, I have some strange parasite that only attacks a couple of fish. There is some microscopic small worm like creature under a couple of scales. There is no change to the appetite or behaviour of the fish. The tank is 2000 gal and the system is over 3000 gal. I have been trying to figue out if there was a way to target these fish without having to catch them. It is not any of the common diseases. This has been going on for a few months now.
 
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