footballdude2k3
Active member
i got 2 of them from petco this weekend, if you look at my build thread i put pictures on, i think they look great. i would post them here but i am at work and do not have access to my pictures
Petco Picasso "mislabel" thread
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melanotaenia
New member
It would be nice if they began to filter in from other vendors, so as to take ORA off their high horse for charging obscene amounts of money for their Picasso and Snowflake/Platinum, of whatever you want to call them.
I would like to see the same happen with the SPS frags; the prices that ORA charges are astronomical
I would like to see the same happen with the SPS frags; the prices that ORA charges are astronomical
Rhizo
Member
Apparently you seem to care. You keep coming back to this thread. Get the point from DC... just go away... :hammer:
Back to the thread,
flush out all the other breeders? By dropping prices so drastically, who would pay $200 for a pair when you can go to petco and get a pair for $20?
I would say this is dead on. I for one support them doing this! Too many breeders who do some shady, shady, and I mean shady practices....
Im sure a couple of you may of seen my posts about getting this deal. I have seen other local lfs sell similar ones the ones some people on her say dont make the cut for 175.00 and you cant go look at petco one day then come back to the thread and say you saw them and they dont make the cut. I bought two and one of them had a considerable amount of white. So for me that one was a great buy. The other purchase was probably one that wouldnt make the cut with ora. But its still a unique pattern and a very nice fish. Everyone needs to get off reef central for a little while and get a life it sounds like. Cause like other stated people are really just sitting at home disecting this. Go get some and give your fingers a rest. :lolspin:
tufacody
New member
I care. I just about care for everything in this hobby, and I find this topic very interesting. I also feel basement breeders are very good for this hobby. I think the OP raises some interesting thoughts worthy of consideration.
Given the general neglect of PetCo stores, I'd be very surprised if they hatched any sort of scheme here. The animals are mere commodities, and the profit margin doesn't have to be huge for them. I think ORA is probably the source of these prices, and I tend to buy into the idea that only a Petco would let them go at these prices. Any competant LFS would know what they are and charge accordingly. Not so a PetCo. I'm guessing ORA knew that these should-be culls were still valuable, and did not want to tarnish the ORA reputation further with inferior animals. So this is the result.
DeathWish302
Clown Hoarder
How 'many' breeders do you know or have talked to that are doing these 'shady' practices? Just b/c you read about a few irresponsible lackys' on the net doesn't mean the bulk are out for every nickel with no care of quality and how they obtain it!
Watch the toes you step on with those comments next time buster!:fun2:
clowns101
Active member
WOW!ORA did not send fish knowing they were valuble.ORA didnt even send "piccaso" clowns.I talked with a worker today and he had sent them percula clowns that were mis-bars.Plus how do we even know they were "ORA picassos"?Petco dosent buy much from ORA and ORA dsent sell much to Petco.And to say that ORA is sending fish that should be culled and then saying they have value is just backwards and wouldnt be done.ORA dosent send fish like that to Petco because:
1)Petco doset have a market for these fish.
2)Why dosent Petco have a market for these fish?
People who know the real true Petcos and watched investagation clips of Petco wouldnt buy fish from them even if they were cheap.
I think this topic has been kinda blown out of the water.Like I said "WE DONT EVEN KNOW IF THESE FISH ARE FROM ORA".And from my experince in the hobby and what I have been told by a worker of ORA,these fish more than likely arent even ORA.
And the idea that "ORA is selling high end fish to put out other breeders" is just stupid!ORA would be basicly destroying the market for these fish and if they done that what would happen to ORA?I know for sure that ORA's "picassos" wouldnt have the value of that they hav enow.And plus,how many fish would have to be sold to put out another breeder?By the time they have sold enough fish to put out another breeder,ever one would have
"picasso clowns" and there wouldnt even be market for them!
I think we ALL need to think logicly about this situation and think about the effects of what would happen if ORA was going to "put out the breeders"!
Im sorry for getting all up-hipe about this but 1/2 of the information said befoe me was "out of the wack"!
Thanks,
Austin/clowns101
tufacody
New member
Dude, we are all just speculating here.
1)Petco has a market for every fish or they wouldn't sell them
2)And yet here we are with people posting everyday about Petco purchases
3)Many people are more than happy to buy culls in the hope they will pass on the genetic trait, and often times deformities are not readily visible until the fish has grown out a little. It makes perfect sense to me that imperfect fish in a breed like Picassos would be culled by some vendors and sold as lower grades by other.
With that said, I really have no clue if ORA is doing this at all. I simply agree that the OP has put forth an interesting theory. I agree though that I should have just kept my mouth shut on a board like this. Its also too easy to tarnish reputations with speculation.
1)Petco has a market for every fish or they wouldn't sell them
2)And yet here we are with people posting everyday about Petco purchases
3)Many people are more than happy to buy culls in the hope they will pass on the genetic trait, and often times deformities are not readily visible until the fish has grown out a little. It makes perfect sense to me that imperfect fish in a breed like Picassos would be culled by some vendors and sold as lower grades by other.
With that said, I really have no clue if ORA is doing this at all. I simply agree that the OP has put forth an interesting theory. I agree though that I should have just kept my mouth shut on a board like this. Its also too easy to tarnish reputations with speculation.
Rhizo
Member
I know more than a few breeders that fall into this criteria. I guess just to suit your needs I should rant on them? Seems like your cherry was pretty exited over my post
I guess some people have a little more manners than some folks here ... ehh... forum posting sure has its percs :lmao:
HKS
Un-registered Member
I totally agree. I never got too excited over these showing up in Petco because they looked like C grade picassos which are basically misbars. That's not to say that someone couldn't buy a whole bunch for breeding stock and make money down the road on the offspring. I am curious though to see how much black these mature ones will exhibit.
savageAJC
New member
well misbar over plain ol jane bars ill take the misbars! hah but seriously, I like them, to each his own. Most other LFS's would charge extra for them, one LFS in my area has "ORA
grade B picassos" for $150 and the ones from Petco look 20x better.
All in all wherever Petco got them from and why they got them who cares im just happy they have 'em =) People are charging waaayy to much for these fish. its ridiculous.
grade B picassos" for $150 and the ones from Petco look 20x better.
All in all wherever Petco got them from and why they got them who cares im just happy they have 'em =) People are charging waaayy to much for these fish. its ridiculous.
DeathWish302
Clown Hoarder
I'm not asking for special treatment, just making it known that not all underground breeders are irresponsible. I might not have the big dollar facility of ORA, but make do with what I have for a setup while ethicly running the system.
As for manners, some tools just don't get it.... Nuff said:dance:
Amoore311
New member
This thread is funny lol. From conspiracy theories, to people waking up on the wrong side of the bed, etc.
#1 Whoever said ORA doesn't sell much to Petco is sadly mistaken. Petco is ORA's largest customer. Pretty much every captive bred fish Petco sells is from ORA.
#2 ORA is a business first, remember this. If they can make a few bucks on clowns that would otherwise be culled (yielding $0 or negative returns), they are going to.
#1 Whoever said ORA doesn't sell much to Petco is sadly mistaken. Petco is ORA's largest customer. Pretty much every captive bred fish Petco sells is from ORA.
#2 ORA is a business first, remember this. If they can make a few bucks on clowns that would otherwise be culled (yielding $0 or negative returns), they are going to.
Rhizo
Member
I don't see how Too many = All breeders? Did I miss something? Illiteracy is something you need to work on
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Rhizo
Member
Despite trying to make a buck. ORA actually tries to provide consumers with quality ornamental clowns. The mislabel of a clown is rare, if ever? That we perceive Petco to mislabel is another story. Credit needs to be given where it is due.
Dun Properly
Member
I know I will be swinging by there in the next couple of days. I usually don't give them a second thought. If this WAS conspiracy by Petco, then mission accomplished!
returnofsid
New member
I'll admit, I went yesterday, based on this thread, and others like it, and it ended in DISASTER. http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1819980
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