PH in the ocean?

[fla2341]

What I said:
"While we can "lead" we can not have much, if any, effect acting alone."

We see too much our elite who endorse environmental change but only as far as the US is concerned. We can "lead" however they need to look beyond the US borders to use our influence with other countries to effect a real global change and not a feel good localized token which makes for good news bites but is a drop in the ocean against the overall world's population which contributions to the whole of the problems we face.

 

[muttley000]

We see too much our elite who endorse environmental change

Heck yea, as they fly around in their personal jumbo jets to tell us our light bulbs aren't efficient enough.

I have enjoyed the discussion in this thread.

I believe the earth is warming, and this is probably caused in part by co2 which is also changing ocean ph. I am quite skeptical that this is a event caused solely, or significantly by human activity. I don't say pollute as you desire, I drive a Prius, but it is as much because I am a cheap sob though, not because I feel it is my environmental duty. When the last ice age receded, I don't think coal burning or cars were much the issue. Maybe it was excess mastodon breath:wave:

 

[syrinx]

Everyone else throws their trash out the car window, so I guess I should too. Is that the idea here?

Again back in the sixties there was a commercial on TV where someone threw a bag of trash at an Italian actor dressed as an indian. He started to cry at the shame of pollution-and millions of people responded in a positive manner. I think if the subject of CO2 was brought to the public in a similar positive fashion, people would have responded in kind. However it has been turned into a political issue by the gov- and thus it is more dividing. And it does not help that there is almost a religious fervor among the believers that damns to hell those who question in any form.

I think we should lead by our personal actions-and hope others follow. That being said unless there becomes a world gov-or individual powers put poor countries back into colonial rule, it will be difficult for us to make a large impact. If the cost of our being the leaders exceeds the benefit, then we will become a weaker force in world economics - and thus be able to exercise less influence on the rest of the world.

 

[acesq]

Scary. Sad too. But mostly scary. If you are not a climatologist, please, please trust the climatologists. (If you are a climatologist, you know we are experiencing significant potentially devastating climate change and human are contributing significantly to it) It's pretty simple. If you, or I or this country can do anything, we need to do it. If you were in a leaky boat with 50 people and 30 of them refused to bail, would you stop?