pH monitors

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goldeneyeretrie

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I am thinking of fetting a pH monitor but I dont know anything about them. Help me out.

What kind to look at , tips etc.

Thought it best to start looking by asking here!
 
dont waste your omney unless it has a good accuracy like the american marine, most milwaukee ones have a +-.2 which is kinda useless

Tim
 
I have a pinpoint not a milwaukee. How good is this brand? As I understand it Pinpoint has a pretty good reputation.

Regards,

Pat
 
I used to have all American Marine (Pinpoint) equipment, but had problems with most of it. They fell out of calibration quickly, and the probes would die if they fell entirely into the sump or the water rose past the probe heads during a power outtage.

I've since switched to Milwaukee, and haven't looked back!

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That's a nice looking set up tgreene but I have to agree with zapata41.

The meter in your pic reads 8.6. That means that your pH could acutally be anywhere between 8.4 and 8.8. Yikes!
 
Actually, you're both wrong! ;)

They read 8.6 in the pic only because I just did a big Kalk dose, but I since I have them configured to work together and with the HI-LIMIT pH Controller as a Kalk shutdown (now set to 8.5), it's impossible to overdose my system.

Also, please show me where Pinpoint states what their range of accuracy is... THEY DONT!

All units require calibration from time-to-time, and all units have an error margin in the range of accuracy. We do know that Milwaukee's margin of error is Ã"šÃ‚±0 .2, but what is Pinpoints..? ;)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6766466#post6766466 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tgreene
Actually, you're both wrong! ;)

They read 8.6 in the pic only because I just did a big Kalk dose, but I since I have them configured to work together and with the HI-LIMIT pH Controller as a Kalk shutdown (now set to 8.5), it's impossible to overdose my system.

Also, please show me where Pinpoint states what their range of accuracy is... THEY DONT!

All units require calibration from time-to-time, and all units have an error margin in the range of accuracy. We do know that Milwaukee's margin of error is Ã"šÃ‚±0 .2, but what is Pinpoints..? ;)

THEY DO!

Pinpoint's accuracy is +/- .01

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Product/Prod_Display.cfm?pcatid=4482&N=2004+113762

What I'm saying is with an accuracy of .2 on your meter the water at a pH of 8.6 the "actual" pH of the water could be anywhere from 8.4 to 8.8. That's within the limits of the meter. It can be off + or - .2 and that's as good as that meter can read.
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6766788#post6766788 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by goldeneyeretrie
I did not think resolution and accuracy(precision) were the same?
They aren't! :rolleyes:

The info from Dr.'s Foster & Smith refers to resolution as accuracy, while the Pinpoint website specifically states resolution and mentions accuracy nowhere.

Furthermore, your equipment (any equipment) is only as accurate as your calibration routines, which is why I dumped my Pinpoint gear in favor of Milwaukee in the first place, because I was sick and tired of not being able to trust my controllers and meters. Also, I was becoming really weary of having to replace the probes a couple times a year, because the suction cups released and the were completely submerged, or the power went out causing the sump to fill above the probe cap... Either way, it got old!

Also, if you read the info posted in the link bellow, you'll see that reviewer #3 lists the Pinpoint accuracy as being "+/-0.02 pH", yet again, this info is posted nowhere in American Marine's info (website or user documentation).

http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merc...OD&Product_Code=PIN-PH&Category_Code=Pinpoint

The beauty is that you're free to believe and buy whatever you want, but at least understand that there is likely a reason that the manufacturer isn't publishing their accuracy, but instead relying on resolution which means little to nothing if the accuracy is off.

FWIW: The Milwaukee SM105 does have a Resolution of 0.01 and an Accuracy of Ã"šÃ‚± 0.02 -- It is however quite a bit more expensive than what the average aquariast is willing to spend. http://www.milwaukeetesters.com/english/products/professional_port_meters/SM105.html


On a final note; the chances of all of my controllers and monitors being off by precisely the same factor, would be pretty odd... With as many checks and balances as I have in place, the odds are definitely stacked in my favor! :D


This is what I used to have in place...
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And this is what I have today...
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I have not had any probe problems so far with the Pinpoint PH meter I have. It is completely submerged in the tank itself not the sump and it seems to work perfectly fine.

I guess I'll just have to wait and see.

Regards,

Pat
 
This discussion has left me somewhat confused as to what I should buy. A lot of debate with no real consensis.
How much experience do you have, How are your tanks overall health, How consistantly are they in this state of health, And maybe most importantly, What is the growth rate of your corals relative to there optimum captive growth potential.
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"FWIW: The Milwaukee SM105 does have a Resolution of 0.01 and an Accuracy of Ã"šÃ‚± 0.02 -- It is however quite a bit more expensive than what the average aquariast is willing to spend. http://www.milwaukeetesters.com/eng...ters/SM105.html" a post by tgreene
This sounds good but how many people have experience with this specific meter and how do you feel about it's actual performance.
Thanks for your input
 
The SM105 costs about $350, which is too rich for my blood.

Experience: If you read my signature, you'll see I've been reefkeeping off and on since 91. I've also constantly maintained a mixed reef system since April of 2003. Tired of battling fluctuating parameters, I began relying on monitors and controllers in the spring of 2004.

As for growth rates and overall success, visit the 'NE Arkansas Reef Club' website, check out my Photo Gallery, and decide for yourself. There are also a number of threads in regards to my system, since I'm the Admin and needed to kick the forums into gear.

www.nea-reefkeeping.com

Since my system was devastated by hurricane Katrina (I lived on the North Shore), everything that is is my gallery, is since I set my tank back up on October 18th. I have predominantly LPS and SPS, and the growth rates are insane, as can be attested by other NEA members that have actually seen or contributed to my tank. I have already fragged a couple of the species at least twice, and they seem to fill in faster with each and every cutting. I have a mutant coral factory! :eek2:
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6766788#post6766788 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by goldeneyeretrie
I did not think resolution and accuracy(precision) were the same?

They are not the same and I guess I'm guilty of the same thing Dr Foster and Smith is. Not reading closely.

But this doesn't change my postion on a meter with a .2 accuracy.

The SM100 has a resolution of .1 and an accuracy of .2

http://www.milwaukeetesters.com/english/products/economy_portable_meters/SM100.html

As tgreene said you are free to purchase what you want but I would recommend a meter with a higher accuracy.

There is anoter option other than the SM105, the SM102. This IMO would be a better choice.

http://www.milwaukeetesters.com/english/products/economy_portable_meters/SM102.html

Another thing that can throw pH readings off is temperature.

The SM102 has Automatic Temperature Compensation. The SM100 does not.

It is hard to argue with success and tgreene's tank does look good.

I have e-mailed American Marine to find out the accuracy of the pinpoint.
 
The SM105 should actually be called the Mi105, because it's in the high-end Martini division.

Milwaukee does however offer the SM101 and SM102 which do have 0.01 Resolution and Ã"šÃ‚±0.01 Accuracy, however these are portable battery operated meters. I wouldn't see why you couldn't simply drill a tiny hole in the back of the battery cover to connect a 9v DC converter though.

The SM101 is under $75 and the SM102 is under $105 at http://www.accurategadget.com/
 
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