Phyllangia americana
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Opsanus tau
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I have been keeping these corals for years now these are f5s, I started with an original colony of about tree polyps in 2003, and today have over 100.
I use a tile saw to separate them and have them living in 10 different systems.-Dave
I use a tile saw to separate them and have them living in 10 different systems.-Dave
aninjaatemyshoe
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That's pretty cool. What are their care requirements?
Whalehead9
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I remember having these on some Fla. Live rock back in 89-90. very easy to keep, but never got them to reproduce. How does that work?
Opsanus tau
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they "bud" off just like a sun or something.
Opsanus tau
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The funny thing is that my buddy has these all over his live rock, yet when he goes to sell it to the LFS in Miami, they won't buy it,....he can't sell it to them, because they are naive and think his rock is covered in aiptasia LOL!!!! they have no idea what they are missing out on because of their ignorance..TOO funny!
Can you post more information on this coral: what is it, to what group it belongs, taxonomy, origins, care, any particular requirements and incompatibilities.
I know, that almost anything could be found through web search
, but if you already keep or kept them - it would be interesting and useful to know about first hands experience.
I know, that almost anything could be found through web search
, but if you already keep or kept them - it would be interesting and useful to know about first hands experience.
Whalehead9
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They are caribbean origin,solitary small polyps, 3-8mm. almost always a Live Rock hitchhiker. Never seen a colony for sale in 20 years.
Opsanus tau
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They are almost always a Live rock hitchhiker when the LR site is in the Gulf, if it is out front , you will not see this coral.( I have my own L.R. site on the reef line and so does my partner).
When I acquire these, they are from another buddy's site, they are ALWAYS from extremely "Dirty water" , high nutrient, tons of dissolved solids, heavy plankton, little-no visibility.
They only reproduce for me when target fed heavily.-Dave
When I acquire these, they are from another buddy's site, they are ALWAYS from extremely "Dirty water" , high nutrient, tons of dissolved solids, heavy plankton, little-no visibility.
They only reproduce for me when target fed heavily.-Dave
Thanks!
I had/have some similar sized and colored corals, only with shorter tentacles. I was told, that they are cup corals, like Devonshire cup coral - Caryophyllia smithii, or Hoplangia durotrix, but they seems to be cold water species (UK), while mine are either Caribbean or Indo-Pacific (no import from Europe).
Do you know anything about them or other transparent sun coral-like species?
I had/have some similar sized and colored corals, only with shorter tentacles. I was told, that they are cup corals, like Devonshire cup coral - Caryophyllia smithii, or Hoplangia durotrix, but they seems to be cold water species (UK), while mine are either Caribbean or Indo-Pacific (no import from Europe).
Do you know anything about them or other transparent sun coral-like species?
RicksReefs
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unless they're on frag plugs/disks, it'd be tough to convince any LFS in florida buy them. I wouldn't. they run the risk of heavy fines from FWC since it's a protected species unless it's on aquacultured rock. rock frags will be assumed to be chiseled from the ocean and without the proper paperwork for chain of custody they're in the dodo.
Opsanus tau
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Wait you guys are saying you wouldn't be interested in LR covered in (legal) Atlantic Corals?
Do you only want sterile rock and then add all corals?
If your a store owner and someone had LR covered in ANY corals, why would you not want it???????????
Especially something not many others have??????
And it's legal???
I've never heard of something so weird?
Maybe you guys misread my original posts or something.
Do you only want sterile rock and then add all corals?
If your a store owner and someone had LR covered in ANY corals, why would you not want it???????????
Especially something not many others have??????
And it's legal???
I've never heard of something so weird?
Maybe you guys misread my original posts or something.
RicksReefs
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it's a problem with the state. the only time florida stony corals are legal is if they come attached to aquacultured florida rock. we have to have the paper trail back to the wholesaler, who needs it back to the source. we're not allowed to frag it off the rock. if we do, we face thousands in fines as it will be assumed to be illegally collected coral.
if you have a state lease and your aquaculture/wholesale liscense, then that's a whole nuther thing and perfectly legal. it's all in the paper trail when it comes to the state and the FWC.
if you have a state lease and your aquaculture/wholesale liscense, then that's a whole nuther thing and perfectly legal. it's all in the paper trail when it comes to the state and the FWC.
Whalehead9
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It also depends on how smart your Local Fish and game is. When I worked at a LFS, fish and game came in looking for Caulerpa (which is illegal in California), and the woman demanded to go through all of our freshwater plants! I tried to explain it to her that they were saltwater, but no freshwater plants first. Not even looking for other invasive or otherwise illegal plants, just Caulerpa, in the freshwater.
Twenty minutes later, all the plants were twice checked over, then she left and headed to the reptile department to make sure that all the snakes were legal. Skipped over the Salt fish only system and the large reef display. Our government dollars hard at work.
Twenty minutes later, all the plants were twice checked over, then she left and headed to the reptile department to make sure that all the snakes were legal. Skipped over the Salt fish only system and the large reef display. Our government dollars hard at work.
Opsanus tau
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I'm sorry if I didn't mention that I as well as my friend both have our own PERMITTED LIVE ROCK AQUACULTURE bottom leases his State, Mine Federal, and both have Florida Aquaculture certificates.
I also posses a special research permit witch covers my Lab and HOME for ALL Atlantic scleractinia..(I'm looking at cervicornis right now)....I'm very familiar with the law.
My question is ,with 100% legal paper trail and all permits in place, do most aquarists, like the one who posted something about "who would pay for hitch -hikers", just consider Atlantic stony corals boring hitch-hikers???
I guess my personal priorities are different/weird.
Sorry if I sounded aggressive, I just didn't understand.
I guess it's like too much of a risk of being hassled by the authorities, (as a shop owner??..I guess?..right?)
I also posses a special research permit witch covers my Lab and HOME for ALL Atlantic scleractinia..(I'm looking at cervicornis right now)....I'm very familiar with the law.
My question is ,with 100% legal paper trail and all permits in place, do most aquarists, like the one who posted something about "who would pay for hitch -hikers", just consider Atlantic stony corals boring hitch-hikers???
I guess my personal priorities are different/weird.
Sorry if I sounded aggressive, I just didn't understand.
I guess it's like too much of a risk of being hassled by the authorities, (as a shop owner??..I guess?..right?)
sl-atl
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I think Atlantic corals rock, but maybe I am just weired also. According to Borneman, the Atlantic scleractinians are also generally older species than the pacific corals.
I've never understood why it is so difficult to find a good variety (for example) of the Atlantic gorgonians. (Ken Nedimeyer's shop excepted, of course.) I've been trying for a long time to find a legal source for common sea fans (G. ventalina) but no luck so far. I think somebody should get in the business of legally culturing these and other Florida/Atlantic corals- at least the europeans would appreciate it.
~end of rant~
I've never understood why it is so difficult to find a good variety (for example) of the Atlantic gorgonians. (Ken Nedimeyer's shop excepted, of course.) I've been trying for a long time to find a legal source for common sea fans (G. ventalina) but no luck so far. I think somebody should get in the business of legally culturing these and other Florida/Atlantic corals- at least the europeans would appreciate it.
~end of rant~
Tu Ku
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You said they're hitch hikers. If you came into my fish store and said hey look, I'm selling these corals that I got completely for free. I would say good luck. I'll acquire my own corals for free. As a businessman why in the world would I invest money in something that you got for free. You can give me some for free and I'll proceed to sell them but I'm not buying something that didn't cost you anything. The other point is that your not a certified/registered distributor so I have no clue what else you're bringing into my store. Whether I thought they were aptasia or scleractinia I wouldn't trust you or your sweet "hitch-hikers". Unless I originally sold you the coral and you then brought me back a bunch which you had grown out, I would never give you money for something that happened to fall into your lap.
Apologies if I come off as an ***. But I can fully understand the fish stores point of view and I would highly doubt that it has as much to do with naivety as you would like to believe.
I certainly don't think it's a boring coral, in fact, it has a little something extra since you didn't have to invest anything to acquire it. I just wouldn't be so quick to judge the people at a LFS simply because they rejected your sweet deal.
Apologies if I come off as an ***. But I can fully understand the fish stores point of view and I would highly doubt that it has as much to do with naivety as you would like to believe.
I certainly don't think it's a boring coral, in fact, it has a little something extra since you didn't have to invest anything to acquire it. I just wouldn't be so quick to judge the people at a LFS simply because they rejected your sweet deal.
aninjaatemyshoe
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So, if one were to come in with a rare acanthastrea (one that many people will spend $$$ for) and wanted to sell to you cheap, but had acquired it for free somehow, you would not buy it? That doesn't seem to make much sense. I understand why one would not want to buy a hitchhiker. Who knows how much one would be able to sell these for/what kind of market there would be for these? Without more knowledge of what you have here, it is best to bet that it is at most of very little value. But, the principle to base your purchases off of whether the supplier paid good money for the specimen seems jaded and doesn't make good business sense IMO.
