Phytoplankton

Is there a liquid (that does not need refrigeration) plankton on the market worth using? Like Kent or Brightwell? Or powder I can mix with RO water.

I want to do large batching for hourly dosing. Humm I have mini frig in garage......maybe that is the ticket!
 
Depends if you want live phyto or dead ones. Only known live phyto that stay alive are DT's, and are kept alive by refrigeration.
 
What are you doing that you need hourly dosing of phytoplankton? I ask mainly so we can help you come up with the best plan. With the amount it sounds like you'll be going through, I'm also thinking that growing your own will be your best bet. When I was growing rotifers, I used an aqualifter pump on a timer to dose my home grown phytoplankton. I'm no great expert, but here's a two part video I did for my reef club. It demos splitting a phytoplankton culture, but can easily be adapted to starting a culture, especially if you're starting with a liquid culture:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y0lmYvCQNI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqsF4oTescg

If you're serious about phytoplankton (or any sort of plankton) culturing, I'd highly recommend this book: http://www.amazon.com/Plankton-Cult...https://3kserver7.com/~frank/secure/agora.cgi), which is a good place to go for all of your supplies.
 
Starting with Azoos in mixed reef. I feed pretty heavy now, I am attempting to automate. I have good controller with ability to do 24 dosing in 24 hour period. Chili coral and one little Orange Duro-whatever they are called.

I have good skimmer, dose vodka and run ozone. Pretty amazing how much i can feed system now!

Also have DSB and sump full of live rock, 215g and 90g displays, common plumbed.
 
Alright, I don't know if I'm having momentary brain failure or I'm just behind the times, but what's an Azoo? I don't know if that's what you're implying, but chili corals don't feed on phytoplankton. I can't think of a coral that begins with duro (except perhaps S. dura, but that's probably not what you're talking about), so I'm no help there.
 
What does Chili feed on? Azoo = non-photosynthetic

Dendrophyllia - Sunflower looking thing.

I swear people have been telling me they feed Chili phyto...

Need to do more reading!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15231492#post15231492 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Tony Romano
What does Chili feed on? Azoo = non-photosynthetic

Dendrophyllia - Sunflower looking thing.

I swear people have been telling me they feed Chili phyto...

Need to do more reading!

People tell other people to feed phytoplankton to corals quite a bit, and it's usually wrong. You'd be better served to feed your azooxanthellates very small meaty foods instead o phytoplankton. DT's oyster eggs, the smallest golden pearls, and rotifers would all be good choices. Dendros, something like cyclopeeze is a good choice.
 
Oh, azoo as in azooxanthellae. . .gotcha! I just hadn't heard it referred to in that way before.

And I agree 100% with Peter. The phytoplankton won't do either of those corals any good. Best case, it will increase your zooplankton population, which in turn may provide nutrition to the corals, but you really can't count on that.
 
We need to stop this azoo term right now! :p

As for zooplex, I'd never add it to my tank, but I don't really care for Kent nor liquid type foods. Also, IIRC the micron size if probably way too big for a chili coral and most other non LPS.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15236842#post15236842 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by gabbagabbawill
why wouldn't you add zooplex? what's wrong with liquid/ kent? I'm asking b/c you say that but don't say why.

Thanks!

Because they're all dead, and dead planktonic cultures will immediately break down into nitrogenous compounds and phosphates once introduced into the tank. The live can at least hold their own briefly, and then break down, which is why you keep them refrigerated, to keep them alive (briefly) but they still go bad if left too long. The difference between most foods and dosing phytoplankton (they should be thought of as the same type of deal) is that phyto is too small to really be eaten by much other than specific small organisms in the tank, so it sits in the watercolumn for the most part, breaking down, where as mysis shrimp will be eaten by fish and inverts, so those nitrogenous and phosphoric compounds are getting absorbed into those organisms as biomass, versus breaking down in the water column.

Think of them as mini fishes. When you add a dead fish to your tank, you pollute your tank with the nitrogenous compounds and phosphates from the carcass. If you add a live fish, it survives long enough to do whatever you want it to do (in most of our cases, we feed the fish so that they live longer, happy lives).

anything not refridgerated I wouldn't trust. That being said, you should also know what you're dosing and why you're dosing it. I see too many people trying to feed their SPS using Phytoplankton, which is stupid because SPS don't eat phytoplankton, they eat zooplankton. But this thread is about azooxanthellic corals (lol "azoo," like the cheapo fan and other random aquarium stuff company), which may or may not consume phytoplankton, but I don't know much about them, so I'll stop here.
 
I am sorry about the "Azoo", I am a newbie to azooxanthellic and have the memory of a nat. <grin>

How long is briefly? Does frozen stuff break down as fast as liquid dead stuff? I've noticed NO3 spikes from feeding, up to 20ppm, then back to 0ppm over night.

I also am really questioning Kent's quality. If it works as advertized...or would I be better off looking at Brightwell. (Updated Kent?)

I've notice when I dose dead stuff pods seems to have population explosion. And sponges seem to take off.
 
So, what you're saying is that this food must be eaten in order to not break down in the water column... that makes sense. Also makes sense why my purigen media turns red after dosing zooplex. I have figured this is a given just like any food. But, with proper filtration and skimming and CUC, the wasted zooplex will get taken out. I guess what matter is, will the coral eat it, and if so, is it healthy for it, and can you remove the excess.

I add zooplex to my frozen fish food (mysis, brine, etc) as I thaw it out. It mixes with the food and gets taken up by the fish and I know that the flavor that it has really makes the fish like to eat. Without it, the fish are not nearly as voracious eaters. YMMV.
 
If you want to supplement your food and make your fish healthier, more vibrant eaters, look into a garlic addition or even Selcon, which is supposed to be concentrated HUFA fatty acids.
 
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