Phytoplankton

For what its worth I have been using PhytoMax from Kent for a long time. Use it once a week. My NO3 is 0 and I have everything you could imagine (pods,and all sorts of bugs) coral looks great and my Mandarin looks like Santa Clause!:D
 
I don't know but I've been using DT's as part of my coral feeding and to feed fauna to increase plankton for about 1 year now and all I can tell you is what i see:

1. Tremendous Growth
2. Full Polyp Extension
3. Bright color
4. A Fuge Teaming with Life
5. Parameters all in line.

Now, I do 12g WC's weekly in a 65g DT so on a monthly basis that's a big amount. I also run a phosphate reactor and chemipure along with a two part that has a phosphate remover in the formulation.

I use the stuff and I am pleased and so are my corals.

Nothing scientific here; just one hobbyist opinion.

Peace.
 
My LFS sells a normal water bottle size of DT (500ml) for about 25 bux. I grow my own in a couple of 2L bottles (500ml X 4 = 2L). It is pretty much self sustaining. I only need to feed it when I split a batch. Also I'm pretty sure it stores in the fridge for 5 months.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12278690#post12278690 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Pmolan
My LFS sells a normal water bottle size of DT (500ml) for about 25 bux. I grow my own in a couple of 2L bottles (500ml X 4 = 2L). It is pretty much self sustaining. I only need to feed it when I split a batch. Also I'm pretty sure it stores "live" in the fridge for 5 months.
 
Forgot to add.. Phyto instructions say to dose sparingly at first to get your system used to the new load.. HTH
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12278153#post12278153 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by HowardW
<<< You can use DT's but you can never be sure which strain of phyto you have >>>
False
DT's says it uses a mixture. How do you know which ones are still alive?

<<< The prob with DT's is its mostly dead and decaying by the time you get it. >>>
Completely false
True. That's why it stinks.


<<< all the stuff is is phosphate in a jar. >>>
Nonsense
Not nonsense. Lots of Phosphate and ammonia used in the production of it.


<<< Home grown "real" live phytoplankton is very different than the stinky stuff you buy in a bottle >>>

How so?? The odor of a fresh bottle of DT's is because it's far far more concentrated than 99% of the stuff you culture yourself.
Dead Phytoplankton stinks. Says it right on the DT's bottle.


<<< A fresh cultured batch is far superior (Again IMO) than what DT's offers. >>>

Really, how so?

Because it's not dead.
 
Howardw is right on. When buying DT's you do get a phyto with 3 strains, and you get all 3 strains. DT's is very concentrated so when you culture your own with it then you will get the weaker of the 3 strains in the bottle. I've cultured phyto from DT's in the past and got 2 different strains from a single bottle. By getting 2 different strains I know I had at least 2 live strains in that bottle.
DT's no matter how fresh is going to have a bad odor, its when the odor is like rotten eggs that you know its bad.
If you use DT's correctly you shouldnt get any extra phosphate or ammonia in your tank. Phytoplankton is awesome for some tanks but in others you may not see a differance. For instance i've never had mini feather dusters in my tank untill doseing. Another example is my pods have exploded which feeds my fish so im not feeding as much and they also are a good clean up crew for any uneaten food in the tank. sooo phyto can be good if you use it right. Im opposite of the earlier post on how someone's tank looked better without phyto, I can tell when I need to add phyto to my tank. Every tank is different and phyto doseing will be a endless debate.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12278778#post12278778 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by seapug
DT's says it uses a mixture. How do you know which ones are still alive?

True. That's why it stinks.


Not nonsense. Lots of Phosphate and ammonia used in the production of it.


Dead Phytoplankton stinks. Says it right on the DT's bottle.



Because it's not dead.





Here is a good read for the misinformed....

http://somas.stonybrook.edu/~MADL/pubspdf/Emma-clamgrowth.pdf



And here's some actual factual info regarding odor and storage of DT's Live Phyto....

http://www.dtplankton.com/storage.html
 
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<<< A fresh cultured batch is far superior (Again IMO) than what DT's offers. >>>

Really, how so?

I won't answer the other claims as I did not make them, but this one I will (And out of respect and my own curiosity I read the links you provided):

- A fresh batch is just that, a fresh batch. It hasn't been sitting as long and is much more likely to be shaken up a little more than the stuff sitting at LFS. There is no middle man in the delivery, storage, and expiration, it's all on the user.

- You know (Or should know if made locally) what went in to produce the phytoplankton batch. You can account for the ingredients.

- If you're picky about which phytoplankton you prefer, you already know which one you're getting and in what quantity.

About the Phosphates and Ammonia: I can't take either side because both "products" use ammonia and phosphates. Feeding phytoplankton isn't perfect.. you'll be putting in Ammonia and Phosphates. The real point to be made is the quantity that was used in both products.. one of them can be accounted for the other not so much unless tested.

HowardW: I did read that study and find it interesting. I never claimed that DT's is a bad product, just inferior to self-grown phytoplankton. The study actually proves my point... self-grown phytoplankton tested best.

Another push to self-grown phytoplankton the study provided were the strains that DT uses. None of them used were Isocrysis, which the study also claims is best for use in the growth of clams.

If I remember correctly Isocrysis has a softer cell wall which makes it more digestable by clams and others. I can understand why DT's wouldn't use this strain... it's too fragile. Even shaking up the bottle with Isocrysis, you're more likely to kill more Isocrysis cells than you are the strains that DT's uses.

As to the other link you provided: I did read it but this is my personal issue, I never trust information given to me by the makers. I think it could be true and untrue, but I'd prefer an independant thierd party to test that info before I start believing it to be true.

Again, I do not claim DT's is a bad product.. it just isn't as good as self-grown phytoplankton.
 
Electobes, I give you that T Iso is the best for clams but any brown algea is ideal. Dt's has 3 different strains in it one of which is brown. Phaeodactylum Tricornutum is a brown algea that is in DT's. It may not be as good as T Iso but it is close. If you want a live store bought algea go with phyto feast, it has T Iso in it and is relatively close to DT's. I culture my own phyto and if it was cheaper would go with DT's or phytofeast any day of the week. have you ever let a bottle of your own phyto settle in your fridge?? well all the cells at the bottom is what is in the DT's. It is higly concentrated and all the water is out. By doseing my own phyto I have to dose 2 cups and sometimes more as opposed to a cupple capfulls of DT's. Just my thoughts!
 
jpitts101 I have to be honest in saying I have a lot to catch up or re-learn since my year's hiatus. I don't know what Phaeodactylum Tricornutum is (well it's characteristics) but now I have something more to learn about! :D

I really should culture my own phyto, I guess we'll see once I get the tank up and running... and I start attending reef meetings in my area. I'm hoping to buy it locally.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12282769#post12282769 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Electrobes
jpitts101 I have to be honest in saying I have a lot to catch up or re-learn since my year's hiatus. I don't know what Phaeodactylum Tricornutum is (well it's characteristics) but now I have something more to learn about! :D

I really should culture my own phyto, I guess we'll see once I get the tank up and running... and I start attending reef meetings in my area. I'm hoping to buy it locally.

No worries, we all have lots to learn. I didnt even know anything about the strain either untill I used DT's as a starter culture and got some nasty looking brown algea. I thougth it was a crashed culture but it kept getting darker and darker. I finally gave a bottle to a local reefer who sent it off to get it identified. The weird thing is, I was culturing 2 bottles at a time and my other culture from the same bottle of DTs was either Chlorella or Nanno. I know this being they are both Green algea's. Stronger strains are supposed to win but I had a bottle and somehow pulled 2 different strains, everything in my culture station was the same, luck maybe?
 
Is it common to get two different strains out of cultures from the same bottle of DT's? I started culturing my own 14 days ago. The first bottle is deep green. The second is deep brown, I thought it was a crashed culture but it doesn't smell off and keeps getting darker. The third bottle started out green but now has a definite brown tinge to it, it seems to be following the same evolution as the first. The fourth bottle is still green, it's only been running for 3 days though. From reading this thread it sounds like green/brown cultures are good food for the tanks. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Everything in my culture station is the same too.

Thanks for replies.
 
Where can I find details about making my own Phytoplankton Reactor?

I believe there was a tank of the month that had this system in their set up.

Do some SPS's utilize phyto?

Thanks!
 
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