picasso clowns
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cschweitzer
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Oama, you should frequent www.rareclownfish.com I am sure they would love your expertise and a bunch of them share their ideas, many of which have probably been used at ORA. Would love to see you over their, as those people are very much into their clownfish(like myself, even though I haven't begun breeding yet). Also, for a quesiton of clownfish, mainly for my picasso's, what time should they start pairing? I have a trio and I am wondering when three's company becomes a crowd. Should I move one out now to help spur the spawning effect? At about what size/age do you ship the picassos and at what size/age should I begin looking for spawning characteristics? I assume they will have more difficulty spawning with the trio still in tact.
I have a perc/occ pair and was thinking of splitting and putting the oddball picasso in with the perc(maybe take out the perc and switch to a misbar onyx to see what happens) and putting the occ with the other occ I got from you guys. Is that a bad idea?
I have a perc/occ pair and was thinking of splitting and putting the oddball picasso in with the perc(maybe take out the perc and switch to a misbar onyx to see what happens) and putting the occ with the other occ I got from you guys. Is that a bad idea?
dantodd
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I just saw 3 picassos at Aquarium Concepts in Hayward CA. They were listed at $50 each.
One was hiding. One had normal barring on one side and "normal" picasso stripe on the other. The third fish had normal barring on one side and almost pure white between bars 2 and 3 on the other.
They are from ORA.
Not my cup of tea but I thought at that price some on the board might be interested.
One was hiding. One had normal barring on one side and "normal" picasso stripe on the other. The third fish had normal barring on one side and almost pure white between bars 2 and 3 on the other.
They are from ORA.
Not my cup of tea but I thought at that price some on the board might be interested.
cschweitzer
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Dude, I am so sorry. They are such great fish and that is a big loss.
cschweitzer
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Just a question about coloration. So, I know that as the picasso ages, it begin to turn mainly black like the onyx perc. The question is, how does the black begin to show? I see small dots of black forming on my picassos and was just making sure this is not a problem. So, does the color usually start with small splotches, or does it usually grow out from the white bars? Just making sure everything is noral with them. Just to inform anyone interested, I have paired a picasso with an onyx to see what happens. I still have my true pair of pics, but if I start breeding, I want a couple cool combinations that might form different patterns than have been seen before. So, is anyone attempting this combination and had success? If so, what is the coloration and pattern of the offspring?
EMBRYOGUY
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from my experience with having over 12 picassos, black is first evident as a sutle outline along the white bands. than it thickens and in conjunction, the dorsal fin darkens. from that point, the dorsal fin and front half of the body will darken. the black appears to be very deep. this the farthest point ive seen picassos dev.
Vince, of ORA has stated that picassos will develop good onyx black but it takes time. atleast over a year if paired. will this happen. time will only tell.
the problem i see is that just bec the parents are onyx, it doesnt mean that the babies will be true. thats why it is so difficult to breed onyx. how many good onyx breeders are currently in the us? in my opinion, just one consistent, reliable breeder. Rodonyx.
i think the surge in interested for the onyx clown will change this in the upcoming years and we will have access to many captive onyx/picasso babies.
in my opinion though, the best pairing is with a snowflake X onyx cross. this pairing should result in the most crazy pattens with black that we all seek. time will tell. but i have evidence that this is very likely.
good luck breeders.....................
Vince, of ORA has stated that picassos will develop good onyx black but it takes time. atleast over a year if paired. will this happen. time will only tell.
the problem i see is that just bec the parents are onyx, it doesnt mean that the babies will be true. thats why it is so difficult to breed onyx. how many good onyx breeders are currently in the us? in my opinion, just one consistent, reliable breeder. Rodonyx.
i think the surge in interested for the onyx clown will change this in the upcoming years and we will have access to many captive onyx/picasso babies.
in my opinion though, the best pairing is with a snowflake X onyx cross. this pairing should result in the most crazy pattens with black that we all seek. time will tell. but i have evidence that this is very likely.
good luck breeders.....................
triggerfish1976
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I actually picked up a pair of Picasso's from my LFS a few days ago and one of them has a small white square on one of it's cheeks just like original parent. I hope that it stays as this was one of my favorite characteristics of this fish.
At one point did most you start noticing the black start to come out on their bodies?
At one point did most you start noticing the black start to come out on their bodies?
EMBRYOGUY
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the white squre on the cheek will stay......
as for black. it appears black seems to be highly prob. along the dorsal fin and btn the 1st two stripes. time will tell with the 2/3rd stripe.
they are predicted to show heavy black throughout, typical of there parents and the average onyx, but of course alot of variables are invovled.
as for black. it appears black seems to be highly prob. along the dorsal fin and btn the 1st two stripes. time will tell with the 2/3rd stripe.
they are predicted to show heavy black throughout, typical of there parents and the average onyx, but of course alot of variables are invovled.
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cschweitzer
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Mine started showing black in spots on the body. The one weird sided picasso has a full black dorsal now and is darkening every day. When I got him, he showed absolutely no back on the messed up side and is now coloring in and becoming blacker by the day. The other two are now a pair and that guy is with an onyx. Mine are still coloring up, but I started seeing it about two months out of the store. I hope mine grow the cheek mark.
triggerfish1976
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Do most of these develop the square's on the face or is it completely random and infrequent thing?
phender
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Wow Coraldude, its hard to find a normally striped baby in that batch. Nice bright color!
Are those babies from your onyx pair or did you mix a snowflake(ocellaris) with a percula, or is it a secret.
I can't believe there have been 4 posts without a comment on your picture.
Are those babies from your onyx pair or did you mix a snowflake(ocellaris) with a percula, or is it a secret.
I can't believe there have been 4 posts without a comment on your picture.
phender
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That is what I thought. Based on Coraldude and his friends results, and if I worked at ORA, I would strongly consider dumping the female from their pair and pairing the picasso male up with a small onyx and let the picasso become a female. Seems like the female's make-up may have more to do with the picasso trait than the male. It might cost them a little money in the short run, but it could very well reap great benefits in the long run.
Of course I can make all kinds of suggestions. It's not my company and I don't have to pay their workers.
Jovreefer
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Considering how much time it could possibly take for a new pair to start spawning ... I'd think it would be a bad business desision for them to try to re-pair their picasso. JMO though...
Coraldude ... I sent you a PM ages ago and never got a response
would have been nice to at least get a "sorry all spoken for"
Coraldude ... I sent you a PM ages ago and never got a response
would have been nice to at least get a "sorry all spoken for"
cschweitzer
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Their pair has been together for a very, very long time. They bought them as a pair, if I remember correctly. To break up a pair like that would be harsh for both the loss of time and the stress caused to the fish. Besides, what would they breed it with, one of their offspring or a wild caught. If WC, you would have to worry about disease and spreading it to the soon to be female. Not much has been studied on the effects of inbreeding that I know of, but it probably wouldn't be a good choice to pair it with one of its offspring. Not to mention the fact that the patterning may not work out as well as expected.
I've heard 10% from somewhere and then I heard from another that it is more like 1% that ORA ends up with on the question of how many come out picasso. Someone on here please correct me if I'm wrong.
I've heard 10% from somewhere and then I heard from another that it is more like 1% that ORA ends up with on the question of how many come out picasso. Someone on here please correct me if I'm wrong.
cschweitzer
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Sorry, reread and you said pair it with an onyx. Still, based on the other reasons I stated I think it wouldn't be a great idea.
