Pics of my new clowns

i never noticed the difference in looks to wild vs tank raised. makes me question if i in fact have a tank raised at all.

I always thought my male had a much more peaceful disposition, but he is actually following the females lead and bites my gloves and darts at the newcomers.


Heres mine. I donno, they look perfect. may be both wild. I donno. I have def. seem some nasty looking maroons tho

I was able to find 2 with the 'boot' on the side, bought them at very dfferent dates tho

march 2005
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doesent take em long to get theyre gold stripes :)

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9150796#post9150796 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by TOURKID
reef.. whys that?

I have one tank raised and one wild. the wild adapted to the reef way better. swimming thru rocks right away and seeing other fish. the tank raised hung out at the top near a maxi and never touched a rock till i brought a nem in.
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Generally speaking, all tank raised fish have a much higher chance of survival rates in tanks than wild caughts. This is because their immune system is built up against bacterias, parasites, etc. that a wild caught are not.

Ex. Tangs can easily get ick in tanks because they are in an enclosed sytem where the parasite can easily have access to the tangs. In the ocean however, tangs and ick are in two seperate worlds. Tangs don't encounter ick in the wild really. It can happen but it is not probable. The reason why they get in the tank so easily is because they have no immunse sytem built up against it. Tangs are open ocean swimmers and ick develops in the sandbed where the two organisms never enounter each other.

So when you have wild caught maroon clownfish, yes their colors or body shape may have better color or stripes but their survival rate is relatively much lower. Tourkid, I don't think personality has anything to do with tank raised vs. wild caughts. Your tank raised maroon probably had a complete different personality than your wild caught.
 
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my wild caught pair in the tank very hardy not one spot ever even when others in the tank are carrying
 
I would think that a wld caught clown would act differently to anemones because the tank raised clownfish are usualy deprived of an anemone.
 
oceanscurve i really dont think that is true i have a pair of onyx perculas that are tank bred for generations and they are extremely host friendly the host frogspawn and a clam and have checked out xenia twice
My female maroon i got a year ago and she took 3 weeks to get here to come down from the top of the tank she spent 24 hours a day at the top when she moved down it was to an anemone and she stayed there when i bought my male he went straight into the nem with no hessitation two clowns with totally different personalities both wild caught
 
When you think about it, wild clowns have never seen an anemone when they complete metamorphosis, either...they instinctually find them, as that's the only way for them to survive.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9155995#post9155995 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by oceanscurve
I would think that a wld caught clown would act differently to anemones because the tank raised clownfish are usualy deprived of an anemone.
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You can't deprive instincts out of a clownfish that quickly. Its like saying, "I would think we have deprived the hunting instincts out of dogs while wolves have the hunting instinct." But dogs have the hunting instinct after how many generations? A lot.

When I put my tank raised clarkiis in my 55 gallon for the first time, they literally dove into my blue Haddoni. Do you call that deprived?
 
i had a captive split rbta that had never seen clowns--nor had the parent, as far as we can tell.

i got a captive raised gsm pair. the female dove into the rbta, and wallowed around like a pig. the nem grabs everything that ever touches him...he didnt try to grab her at all.

they just 'knew' what they were.
 
Well...anemones can't tell the difference between clowns and other fish...they don't have a nervous system capable of such complex thought, but yeah, the point is captive breeding doesn't change instincts...if inbreeding gets too bad, that may be another story.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9158770#post9158770 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Slakker
Well...anemones can't tell the difference between clowns and other fish...they don't have a nervous system capable of such complex thought, but yeah, the point is captive breeding doesn't change instincts...if inbreeding gets too bad, that may be another story.
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Wrong the nems can recognize the clowns
 
how come a hadoni will eat every fish in a tank exept the clowns in in at night it could swallow them up
 
Because clowns basically don't exist to anemones. Clowns are somehow (as far as I understand it's still largely unknown to biologists) immune to the sting/adhesion of an anemone, which means they don't trigger a feeding response. It's not any kind of decision made by the anemone.

That is, if I understand correctly everything I've read.

And also, there are stories of haddoni eating clowns, as well as stinging/grabbing them when people tried to force the clown to host.
 
Because clowns basically don't exist to anemones


sooooo you're saying they are different? my gsm had NEVER seen a nem before, and went right for it. my nem grabs everything that touches him, and he didnt even try to grab her...she didnt have any mucus build up.

i would love for somebody to explain that...but since nobody can (yet) maybe somebody would help me tune my skimmer!

MORE PICS PLEASE!!!

(get this thread back on track...)
 
Tim, I will admit, I'm basing what I've said on a few books I've read, and one of the theories is that the clowns naturally produce a sugar compound in their mucus coat that makes them immune to the stings...now, if this is really how it works, it would make sense that the fish would have some level of this sugar present at all times, which would be a relatively reasonable explanation for them being able to dive right in. Then again, it could be totally bogus and anemones could be completely sentient beings, thinking to themselves "Nope...this one's cool, but forget that Blenny, he's done if he comes back."

I digress, though...back on track we go!

Any new pics of the stars of the thread?
 
I dont want to get the debate going again but i would think the nem does somehow recognize the clown. Whether it is part of the mucus the clown produces or some small bioelectric charge that all organizims have or whatever that the nem recognizes. Then again the clown could just be lucky. How did the symbiotic relationship start in the first place. The first ever clown fish dove in saying dont eat me dont eat me. I think there is more to it. Until someone with multiple degrees and phd's comes out with conclusive scientific data on the mater. But still our observations can help science as long as we keep our minds open to the possibilitys. Sorry i had to chime in.
I would love to see more maroon clown pics!!!!!
 
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