Platinum clowns

[reefstew]

hey korrine nice pair i like!!! here's a pic of my breeding pair of wyoming whites,,,i got very lucky finding them this big and for a great price.healthy and IMO very nice other think different!!!

What do you sell the ofspring for since I assume your raising them? How many white ones do you get per spawn?

 

[oceancube1]

i lost all the eggs, alot were not fertalized so im guessing male needs more practice or more time... but soon he will get it down im thinking!!

 

[theronsta]

I couldn't disagree more with the first half of your post. They don't "last" because of poor husbandry, not genetics. They are not mutated in any way, and are line-bred, not inbred. Read more.

I do not need to read more. They have been selectively bred to be this way. There would never be anything other than your standard perc/ocellaris if it weren't for mutations, which are a form of natural selection. A mutation is not just an extra fin or a third eye. It can also be skin pigment. Mutations are neither good nor bad. They just are. It is by human design that these mutations are successfully achieved generation after generation.

In molecular biology and genetics, mutations are changes in a genomic sequence: the DNA sequence of a cell's genome or the DNA. They can be defined as sudden and spontaneous changes in the cell. Mutations are caused by radiation, viruses, transposons and mutagenic chemicals, as well as errors that occur during meiosis or DNA replication. They can also be induced by the organism itself, by cellular processes such as hypermutation.
Mutation can result in several different types of change in sequences;(DNA) these can either have no effect, alter the product of a gene, or prevent the gene from functioning properly or completely.

Im not trying to argue or start anything but I don't understand how people refuse to accept that all these clown "morphs" are just random mutations that have been selectively bred.

But are far as this thread goes: make sure you see the platimums you are interested in eat before you purchase them. Please.

 

[deangelr]

I do not need to read more. They have been selectively bred to be this way. There would never be anything other than your standard perc/ocellaris if it weren't for mutations, which are a form of natural selection. Mutations are not good nor bad. They just are. It is by human design that these mutations are successfully achieved generation after generation.

In molecular biology and genetics, mutations are changes in a genomic sequence: the DNA sequence of a cell's genome or the DNA. They can be defined as sudden and spontaneous changes in the cell. Mutations are caused by radiation, viruses, transposons and mutagenic chemicals, as well as errors that occur during meiosis or DNA replication. They can also be induced by the organism itself, by cellular processes such as hypermutation.
Mutation can result in several different types of change in sequences;(DNA) these can either have no effect, alter the product of a gene, or prevent the gene from functioning properly or completely.

Im not trying to argue or start anything but I don't understand how people refuse to accept that all these clown "morphs" are just random mutations that have been selectively bred.

But are far as this thread goes: make sure you see the platimums you are interested in eat before you purchase them. Please.

There are WC specimens of platinum and picasso variety. The mutation is very common and has come up from many different sets of parents. My guess is that is occurs relatively often in the wild, we just don't see it. The genetics of Platinum or other breed type clowns are no 'weaker' than any other captive bred specimens. They are not repetitively inbreed.

here is one example of a crazy 'designer' typer WC clown. There are dozens of similar specimens. Some are more white, some are more black and stranger patterns, you can see how easily it would be to get a platinum from two WC parents... That fish would have the same genetics as any other percula.
http://glassbox-design.com/2011/wild-picasso-clownfish/

 

[theronsta]

It is very common yes, and it is funny that we reefers seek this mutation whereas other breeding animals are frowned upon for breeding mutations lol.

I have seen that link before. And they do happen. I agree with that, but if we were to do a survey of all perculas in the wild I doubt we would get more than 5% of them that had coloring like that. It may happen relatively often but I think there is a reason clownfish have their stripes and the ones that stand out get picked off by predators.

It seems we are at an impass lol.

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[deangelr]

Maybe.... Not all clownfish have stripes. The coloration of reef fishes in general is likely much more dependent on sexual selection versus survivability factors.. In my studied opinion.

 

[trueblackpercula]

I've heard of people getting them and only lasting 6-8 months..Idk if its due to the fact that they are a mutation/inbred or not

EDIT: I also think they are incredibly hideous. The whole point of having a reef tank to me is to recreate a marine reef environment with what would naturally occur in the wild. JMO

You should be banned for such a @ss statement like that.

 

[strawfish]

Hey Oceancube1 that's a cool looking pair of WW