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5ft24
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Be more than happy to.
I was also told that you can only have 1 red firefish in your tank, and if another was introduced, they would fight to the death...
These old wives tales are not true...
I introduced a second firefish to my tank. The original came over, and the 2 of them swim around the tank side by side now like best buds...
Feeding time, they have no issues with each other either.
so either the opinion that the chromis and firefish can't be more than one in a tank is BS, or I live in the OC Triangle where natures laws no longer apply :dance: (I prefer to think the latter LOL)
Toddrtrex
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Then I guess that my experiences, and those of several other experienced reefers must just be all lies.
5ft24
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I never said they were lies... Your experiences are your experiences... not necessarily the laws of nature.
My experiences have been different... that doesn't make either one of our experiences LIES.
if you have a friend that falls out of a 3rd story window and dies, and I have a friend that falls out of a 3rd story window and lives, neither are lies either... just our experiences
Toddrtrex
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You claimed;
So, when you claim that my opinion is BS, I take that as you calling me a liar -- it seemed pretty clear to me.
So, when you claim that my opinion is BS, I take that as you calling me a liar -- it seemed pretty clear to me.
5ft24
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tank info: 30 gal. tank rock and crushed coral bottom.
3 pounds live rock and a good bit of macro algae
central pillars for decor
current stock: 3 clown fish
1 blue damselfish
1 blue hippo tang
1 clown tang
what i want to get in the future: an anenome
coral beauty anglefish
3 pounds live rock and a good bit of macro algae
central pillars for decor
current stock: 3 clown fish
1 blue damselfish
1 blue hippo tang
1 clown tang
what i want to get in the future: an anenome
coral beauty anglefish
Virtuoso
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I find it hard to believe this isn't a troll, but if not you may want to return all those fish ASAP and start reading up on what fish are appropriate for what size tanks.
Toddrtrex
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Should not be adding anything to that tank.
In fact, should remove both tangs, and one of the clowns.
I hope this is not a serious post. If it is serious, it is a disaster waiting to happen.
A difficult call. You are probably going to be fine.
Established (6 yr) 55 gallon, Fiji live rock, wet/dry filter, uv, protein skimmer, live sand, Coralife Lunar Aqualights Compact Fluorescent, clean up crew crabs, Blood red fire shrimp, basic setup.
In the tank now are six fish: A pair of Ocellaris Clownfish, Red Mandarin, Blue Hippo Tang, Black Combtooth Blenny, Royal Gramma.
Coral frags: Candy Cane, Open Brain, Mushrooms, Duncan, Zoos & Evergreen starburst polyp.
Have an over abundance of different kinds of worms and a lot of algae growing on the sand. Also would like to get anemone for the clowns to host.
I would like to know if I can get some kind of wrasse or other kind of fish that will eat some of the worms but not be in competition with the mandarin for food. And a fish or animal that will keep the sand nice. (I use to have a filamented flasher before the mandarin.)I also use to have a tiny tank to raise copepods but it didn't do well. I was also thinking of getting a brine shrimp hatchery. Now use many kinds dried, liquid, frozen occasionally fresh foods to make sure the mandarin is eating ( I have her for about 9 months now & she is doing well). Thanks for the help.
In the tank now are six fish: A pair of Ocellaris Clownfish, Red Mandarin, Blue Hippo Tang, Black Combtooth Blenny, Royal Gramma.
Coral frags: Candy Cane, Open Brain, Mushrooms, Duncan, Zoos & Evergreen starburst polyp.
Have an over abundance of different kinds of worms and a lot of algae growing on the sand. Also would like to get anemone for the clowns to host.
I would like to know if I can get some kind of wrasse or other kind of fish that will eat some of the worms but not be in competition with the mandarin for food. And a fish or animal that will keep the sand nice. (I use to have a filamented flasher before the mandarin.)I also use to have a tiny tank to raise copepods but it didn't do well. I was also thinking of getting a brine shrimp hatchery. Now use many kinds dried, liquid, frozen occasionally fresh foods to make sure the mandarin is eating ( I have her for about 9 months now & she is doing well). Thanks for the help.
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Time to Upgrade...be gentle
Time to Upgrade...be gentle
I currently have a 24 gallon AP with standard compact fluorescent hood (with upgraded fans) and a very big slow turnover refugium. (24 gallons)
I am moving to a full size set up with AP as the new refugium, a large Sump (w/sock filter), skimmer, Ca Reactor, auto top off, LR section, and a fairly big return section for extra volume
I purchased 2 new aquariums that I intend to set up and use side by side on the same sump and filtration system.
one tank, a 40 gal (24 x 18 x 24H), will serve as my SPS / Clam / zoo's & friendly/docile fish and invert tank. It will have a Metal Halide and either T5 or LED actinics over it. 1 Vortech M10 for flow (30-40lbs of LR in display)
the 2nd tank, a 70 gal (41 x 18 x 24), will be a T-5 or LED only tank for a couple of LPS and shrooms and a couple less reef friendly / agressive fish (without crustaceans) 1 Vortech M40 for flow. (50-75lbs of LR in Display)
both tanks will sit on a kitchen counter style (matching my kitchen) stand that is 77" x 32" x 36.75"H. (ample room underneath)
I will use a single return pump and split it off to each each 50/50 or 40/60 or so.
I am going to do coast to coast overflow w/ bean animal drains on both, with an additional small syphon to give a slow feed of raw water to the refugium, which will gravity feed to the return portion of the sump so not to skim out little critters escaping the fuge, though the will get a bit chopped by the pump, (I couldn't make it look good enough for the wife with the AP above the Main display to gravity feed in).
Long intro...now to the questions...be gentle with the answers, I am serious the set up is underway, It will be a slow and steady process, and I am not unwilling to alter ideas, I am trying to gauge what I can do and don't want to not establish things up front only to find out a year down the road that I "could have" done something if I added fish X before fish Y.
OK, here goes.
40Gal,
thinking - 2 ORA picasso clowns (and a host invert (want suggestions for host), 2 or 3 PJ cardinals, a Blenny, a tiny blue neon goby, maybe a yellow coris wrasse or firefish, and heavy on the inverts eg. 2 clams, tuxedo urchin, cleaner shrimp, sea hare slug(worried about too much flow though), hermits, couple sexy shrimp, spotted linckia star and snails (including a few nassarius)
I am hoping with the system volume I should be good to go so far...if not a bit heavy for a 40 display.
70 Gal....here is where I am truly unsure and willing to hear any advice.
I would love to be able to do a moray eel of some small variety. My son absolutely wants a tomato clown, I would enjoy a niger trigger or possibly a xanthichys trigger(but understand if it is undoable in this system), a snotty, obnoxious but beautiful dotty back, and possibly a couple chalk bass.
Okay let the thrashing commence...
if I am way off please let me know...if I am close, feel free to offer suggestions on order or establishment, skimmer size/brand recommendations, return pump flow/brand suggestions, substitutions, additions (wishful thinking) or omissions, feel free to PM me if you are willing for more dialogue then this new to hobby thread will tolerate.
suggestions on other interesting inverts are especially welcome, (i.e. if removing the trigger opens the larger tank to a long spined urchin or ____ or removing the ___ allows ___.
willing to stock the corals conservatively if needed if that changes any responses...
and thank you in advance to the vets willing to help out!
I am excited about my venture, but want to do it responsibly, even if it shatters some dreams of having my cake and eating it to with one system.
Time to Upgrade...be gentle
I currently have a 24 gallon AP with standard compact fluorescent hood (with upgraded fans) and a very big slow turnover refugium. (24 gallons)
I am moving to a full size set up with AP as the new refugium, a large Sump (w/sock filter), skimmer, Ca Reactor, auto top off, LR section, and a fairly big return section for extra volume
I purchased 2 new aquariums that I intend to set up and use side by side on the same sump and filtration system.
one tank, a 40 gal (24 x 18 x 24H), will serve as my SPS / Clam / zoo's & friendly/docile fish and invert tank. It will have a Metal Halide and either T5 or LED actinics over it. 1 Vortech M10 for flow (30-40lbs of LR in display)
the 2nd tank, a 70 gal (41 x 18 x 24), will be a T-5 or LED only tank for a couple of LPS and shrooms and a couple less reef friendly / agressive fish (without crustaceans) 1 Vortech M40 for flow. (50-75lbs of LR in Display)
both tanks will sit on a kitchen counter style (matching my kitchen) stand that is 77" x 32" x 36.75"H. (ample room underneath)
I will use a single return pump and split it off to each each 50/50 or 40/60 or so.
I am going to do coast to coast overflow w/ bean animal drains on both, with an additional small syphon to give a slow feed of raw water to the refugium, which will gravity feed to the return portion of the sump so not to skim out little critters escaping the fuge, though the will get a bit chopped by the pump, (I couldn't make it look good enough for the wife with the AP above the Main display to gravity feed in).
Long intro...now to the questions...be gentle with the answers, I am serious the set up is underway, It will be a slow and steady process, and I am not unwilling to alter ideas, I am trying to gauge what I can do and don't want to not establish things up front only to find out a year down the road that I "could have" done something if I added fish X before fish Y.
OK, here goes.
40Gal,
thinking - 2 ORA picasso clowns (and a host invert (want suggestions for host), 2 or 3 PJ cardinals, a Blenny, a tiny blue neon goby, maybe a yellow coris wrasse or firefish, and heavy on the inverts eg. 2 clams, tuxedo urchin, cleaner shrimp, sea hare slug(worried about too much flow though), hermits, couple sexy shrimp, spotted linckia star and snails (including a few nassarius)
I am hoping with the system volume I should be good to go so far...if not a bit heavy for a 40 display.
70 Gal....here is where I am truly unsure and willing to hear any advice.
I would love to be able to do a moray eel of some small variety. My son absolutely wants a tomato clown, I would enjoy a niger trigger or possibly a xanthichys trigger(but understand if it is undoable in this system), a snotty, obnoxious but beautiful dotty back, and possibly a couple chalk bass.
Okay let the thrashing commence...
if I am way off please let me know...if I am close, feel free to offer suggestions on order or establishment, skimmer size/brand recommendations, return pump flow/brand suggestions, substitutions, additions (wishful thinking) or omissions, feel free to PM me if you are willing for more dialogue then this new to hobby thread will tolerate.
suggestions on other interesting inverts are especially welcome, (i.e. if removing the trigger opens the larger tank to a long spined urchin or ____ or removing the ___ allows ___.
willing to stock the corals conservatively if needed if that changes any responses...
and thank you in advance to the vets willing to help out!
I am excited about my venture, but want to do it responsibly, even if it shatters some dreams of having my cake and eating it to with one system.
Hmmm. . . What are the concerns here exactly? Space? Thanks!
Well, given that RC recommended tank size for an Hepatus tang is 240 gallons, I cannot help but comment on this fish being inappropriate for your tank. Since the mandarin is borderline in your tank, I would not buy a fish that will compete with it for copepods. Remember they eat constantly rather than only when you feed.
While space may be marginal, it may work out; remember the two angels will be substantial when grown. My concern is two fish that will both want to be boss of the tank (angels); in the short run, you may be ok, as the fish mature and adopt their adult personalities, I am somewhat leery.
This is a water balancing problem I would not try myself. It can be done but you open up the door for parasites to be shared across tanks. If you have a quarantine system, I remove my concerns.
A tuxedo urchin, while nice and effective, is also a bit of a bulldozer and will knock stuff over. Your load is substantial in this tank and even with the total system volume may be problematical. The two clownfish, once mature, may harass the firefish. Also remember that cardinals are nocturnal and during the day will just sit there.
No thrashing, just my opinion. I would not do a trigger and if you must have an eel, I would go with the golden dwarf moray which will be much better for that sized tank.
Other than that, it should be fine. By the way, I prefer all of our dialog to be public in this forum since others may benefit.
alanbates12
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Please quarantine your fish. I made the mistake of not doing this and now I'm going through the headache and $$$$$$ of quarantining my fish. Don't trust anyone when they tell you, you don't have to do this. It's a costly mistake and can be fatal to your fish as well as a huge dent in your wallet. It takes 8 weeks to rid the parasite from your display tank, DT. and maybe longer to rid you fish of this. You can bring this into your tank with LR, Sand and inverts ( never use any water from someone elses tank). My suggestion is to set up your tank with everything but fish and let it run for 8 weeks then add new fish that you've had in a QT tank....
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