Please understand about the 5 types of damsels...

Sk8r

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'DAMSEL' applies to a number of species of small reef fishes, which is NOT helpful to a novice trying to pick out fish that won't eat each other OR the landscape. They're very colorful, will school under some circumstances, are constantly on the move, comparatively cheap, and among the hardiest of fishes for a beginner, but the catch is---they CANNOT be kept successfully in a tank under 100 gallons, and pairs are doubly problematic: multiply the behavior x 2. You can get away with a pair of the quietest clowns in a 30. You can keep ONE of the chrysiptera damsels or one chromis in a 50. For any other damsels, head for 100 gallons. And do not put chromis and dascyllus damsels together.

Remember: aggression in marine fish is a function of tank size. And it is not straightline math: you can keep one mild damsel in a 50 with no problems. In a 100 you can have a number with no problems---but you have one really dominant dascyllus or (x)glyphidon, and then you will have trouble introducing new damsels...You have to be smart about it, and either temporarily remove the dominant, or out-psych him/her by, eg, an eggcrate barrier which the little fish can pass and he can't. Curiously, many species of fish seem invisible to damsels: they just seem not to see them as rivals or problems.


Here's a breakdown.
1. clowns. These range from the mildmannered percs to the not at all mildmannered clarkiis and 'red' types like maroons. In a 30 gallon, ONLY the mild clowns, percs, etc. If you want a maroon pair, expect it to take 50 gallons of TERRITORY, not just tank.
2. chromis are a sort of damsel, but other damsels, particularly dascyllus species, do NOT like them. They don't like each other, and will kill off the weakest of the lot nightly in battles for sleeping spots. Only 1 per 50 gallon tank, 3 are ok in 75 to 100, but do NOT put them in with dascyllus damsels.
3. regular damsels.
1 Chrysipteras: blues, generally; fiji blues, azures, yellowtails, also one striped b&w, BE SURE OF THE LATIN NAME: Will freak out and fight for room in a 30 gallon, pretty good citizens in a 50, as singles, but do not have more than one. In a 100, maybe 5 of mixed species: remember most max at 3", so leave room.
2. pomacentris: also fairly calm, 50 gallon and above.
3. paraglyphidon: blue velvets, aka electric blue---a black fish with blue stripe; VERY aggressive toward other damsels, ok in 100 gallons up.
4. neoglyphidon: the bluefin, pretty but will eat soft coral, and anything with -glyphidon in the Latin name is hyper-aggressive. This one is usually solitary, unlike other damsels.
5. dascyllus, the plate-shaped damsels: they're shaped like angels, strongly colored or b&w, and grow nearly 5" long, massing quite a bit. One will often grow to full size and the others will not be as large. They will boss the tank, and should NEVER be kept in multiples in a tank under 100 gallons. RED CLOWNS are this shape, mass, and temperament. I would use caution putting red clowns and dascyllus even into a 100 gallon tank.


IN ALL CASES: look at the Latin name when buying fish in general, and especially damsels. If you have trouble saying them, here's a breakdown:
chris-IPP-ter-a; da-SIL-us; pair-a-GLYPH-i-don; knee-oh-GLYPH-i-don; pome-ah-SIN-tris; KRO-miss.
 
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Thank you right back. I run a 105 gallon damsel tank with a monster golden dascyllus as the dominant---I'd stack her up against most larger angelfish for color and shape (smaller than they are as an adult and she won't eat coral)---but she IS to reckon with when you want to add smaller fish. One has to protect them while she gets used to the notion that they live there. But being a damsel, a few days on, she won't care if they get up and swim with her. She'll get over-excited at feeding and try to claim it all---she buzzes very loudly when trying to push rivals out of her way: you can hear her across the room---and she will chase one of her tankmates, but she's not too serious and they're not too concerned. They duck into the rockwork and she swaggers off, satisifed, while they reappear swimming right behind her: being a fish, she's made her point, and nobody lost a fin. This is typical behavior if they have room enough.
 
And don't forget that while some damsels are pretty as juveniles, they can mature into a not so pretty fishes. So look at pics of the both the juvenile and the adult because sometimes they look very different.
 
Very true. The same way some large angels change their coats entirely, some species of damsels do not mature as pretty as they were when smaller. Look them up in a photographic reference (google is good about giving you several pix).

Another small point, one of the most colorful damsels is the [orange] garabaldi, and I have never even seen one in a tank: the problem is that it grows over a FOOT long with a heavy build. Unless you have a really huge, huge specialty (takes cool water, to boot) tank, not at all a good bet, just on sheer size.
 
Just saw a picture of a Tracey's Damselfish (Chrysiptera traceyi) in LiveAquaria. Gorgeous!

I'm setting up a 120. Would it be better to just have one or would three be better?

Anybody got any experience with these?


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Judging by the description Live Aquaria gives, I'd say it's probably very like the Fiji Blues, cranky if confined in a small tank, pretend-nippy around rivals of similar shape in a 100 gallon, but won't really nip. I'd get only one, however: two or three would possibly be a bit much even in a 120. I have two blues in a 105 and they fuss with each other, but have a big dascyllus keeping them on their toes. THe blues and the traceys are all chrysipteras, not as cranky or as large as the dascyllus---who is always swaggering around bossing the tank. But as long as the rockwork and the tank let one get out of the sight of the other, they seem ok. I have a defenseless little yellowtail with them and the dascyllus, and they don't ever bother that one: just snipe a bit at each other, with no fins nipped, if that gives you some info, at least.
 
Thanks! Can't remember if you've said, would they bother with lawnmower blenny or ignore him?


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THey'd probably ignore him. I really would suggest only one of a kind. You might partner him with a Fiji blue, which is same temperament, or with a blue star, if you have LED lighting---a quiet, unassuming fish until LED hits him.
 
Just using "they" as a non-gender specific pronoun. If a single fish would be happy, that seems to way to go. Just thinking about tank companions. I had been set on a peaceful community so need to do more research.-)


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Hypsypops Rubicunda is one of my favorites! They can be pretty mean and need a big tank though, so I don't have one.
 
Sk8r, do know anything about Black Axil Chromis? From what LA and one RC member says, they are supposed to be very peaceful, esp. in groups. I would like to have 5 or 7 in my 150 gal. (72x22x22) but I am a bit nervous to try it without a bit more supporting info.

polaravic

PS. Tank is a newly cycled set up with 4 PJ Cardinals not entered yet. I am adding the contents of my old 100 gal a little bit at a time.
 
Like any chromis, they will reduce their own numbers until they 'fit' the tank. I understand the black axils do grey with age and lose color, but the regular chromis (who don't) are coming in infected with uronema marinum: definitely quarantine. They are peaceful by habit, except with each other in fights over sleeping space.
 
Black Axil Chromis

Black Axil Chromis

Hi Sk8r,

Thanks for the reply. Sounds like a bad idea:thumbdown so I will try something else. I love flasher wrasses and anthias but I am planning some time away in the near future and don't want to worry about them not getting enough to eat.

polaravic
 
Awesome thread!

Have you ever kept any of the Chrysiptera springeri?
From what I've read they seem to be "passive" in damsel terms atleast.. can confirm?
 
Never have. Pretty fellows. The main thing with any damsels is 'sufficient room.' Given room to get out of sight, they calm down. And once they're used to the sight of another fish, all cool. If it's not a damsel or chromis, generally they're oblivious. Their hostility trigger is another damsel in their space. Particularly one of their kind.
 
Do you think one would have an issue with 2 os. clowns?
They are currently living nicely together, but I hear the aggression can start after they mature.
 
I can attest to maroon clowns being highly aggressive. I currently have a six-line wrasse, azure damsel, and a maroon clown in a 29G Biocube. My mistake at not doing quality, in-depth research before I purchased them. The clown gets pretty bossy at feeding time and fortunately the damsel knows it's place in the social hierarchy. Ultimately, I think the only thing really saving me from the damsel and clown killing one another is the damsel isn't stupid and I have ample rock. Oddly enough my clown has taken to the corner of the tank. I'm worried with the size it will grow (the internet tells me 6"). Fortunately, I plan to upgrade to a 150 so I doubt it will grow much more before I get the larger tank.
 
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