Plumbing a 150...

I am about to upgrade from my 55 gallon tank to a 150 gallon tank and I have a couple of questions about plumbing. The tank has the corner overflows and I know there is a return in each corner and a drain in each corner. My question is with the drains. Are both regular drains or should 1 be an "emergency drain" that sits a bit higher than the other and only get used to prevent an overflow? I hope that's not worded in a confusing way. Thanks again...
 
You have a few options.

The easiest would be to just leave the overflows as is. Both overflows will have a drain and a return. Putting a durso or similar apparatus on the drain and keeping the sump turnover low will keep the system reliable and fairly quiet...

If you want to have more flow through the sump, you can look into Herbie systems. Each overflow will have a syphon (silent) and an emergency. You will have to run a return or two over the back of the tank. This is what I would do.
 
You have a few options.
With only 2 drains, you want one as full siphon and the other as an dry emergency. NEVER run this any other or prepare for a flood.
If you convert one drain to a return you can set up a BeanAnimal. This will be the silent and safe. You should be get away with the one return with no problem.
If you feel like you must have the 2 returns, drive one of them over the top of the top. This is have I plumb my 350.
 
Ok great thanks guys, So it looks like the Herbie way is the favored system. One other question, what size PVC do I use? I'm thinking 1". Does the drain need to be larger than the return?
 
1" is fine. For the drains, use whatever size bulkhead you have. If they are different sizes, make sure to use the smaller for syphon and the bigger for emergency.

Return doesn't have to be the same size as the drains. 3/4" is pretty common. It depends a little bit on how much flow you want through the return, and also some on what size the output of the return pump is.

What return pump are you going to use?
 
You have a few options.
With only 2 drains, you want one as full siphon and the other as an dry emergency. NEVER run this any other or prepare for a flood.
If you convert one drain to a return you can set up a BeanAnimal. This will be the silent and safe. You should be get away with the one return with no problem.
If you feel like you must have the 2 returns, drive one of them over the top of the top. This is have I plumb my 350.

Can the full siphon drain and the dry emergency be at opposite corners of the tank?
 
Ok great thanks guys, So it looks like the Herbie way is the favored system. One other question, what size PVC do I use? I'm thinking 1". Does the drain need to be larger than the return?
Ill chime in here. Your drain plumbing size will be somewhat dictated by the size of bulkhead the holes in your overflows will accommodate. In my case (dual overflow 125) my bulkheads are 3/4" and 1". Im assuming that's what your tank has.

What I did was adapt to 1" pipe before and after the 3/4" bulkheads and 1 1/4" before and after the 1" bulkheads. I just felt more comfortable this way regardless of the bulkhead being the restriction. If I have a blockage, I know exactly where it is. Not likely since I have my overflows screened off. My dual Herbies run very well this way. Silent. They also start and clear air very quickly, under 30 seconds.

So in short, my siphon drains are 1". My emergencies are 1.25".

Now as to your question about return plumbing being smaller that drain plumbing, no. In fact your return plumbing will likely be quieter with larger plumbing. Unless you go with some gargantuan return pump, the siphons will handle just about anything you can throw at them.

On my system, I plumbed two 1.25" returns over the back. I run a DCT8000 (1600 gph at 100%). With my pump at 100%, my siphons handle all the flow no problem, silently.

Your return pump wont have to work as hard with larger plumbing either (reportedly and issue with DC pumps). I initially setup my system with two 3/4" returns in the "factory" locations in the overflows. The return plumbing was very noisy with a 1200 gpm pump, throttled back or not with ball valves. So were the Dursos. These factors along with the splashing torrent of water in the sump from the drains led me to completely replumb the entire system. I couldn't be happier with it.
 
1" is fine. For the drains, use whatever size bulkhead you have. If they are different sizes, make sure to use the smaller for syphon and the bigger for emergency.

Return doesn't have to be the same size as the drains. 3/4" is pretty common. It depends a little bit on how much flow you want through the return, and also some on what size the output of the return pump is.

What return pump are you going to use?

I want to runs a manifold and I have seen many people using a DC pump. Maybe the Jebao or the new Reef Octopus DC pump to ensure plenty of flow.
 
Ill chime in here. Your drain plumbing size will be somewhat dictated by the size of bulkhead the holes in your overflows will accommodate. In my case (dual overflow 125) my bulkheads are 3/4" and 1". Im assuming that's what your tank has.

What I did was adapt to 1" pipe before and after the 3/4" bulkheads and 1 1/4" before and after the 1" bulkheads. I just felt more comfortable this way regardless of the bulkhead being the restriction. If I have a blockage, I know exactly where it is. Not likely since I have my overflows screened off. My dual Herbies run very well this way. Silent. They also start and clear air very quickly, under 30 seconds.

So in short, my siphon drains are 1". My emergencies are 1.25".

Now as to your question about return plumbing being smaller that drain plumbing, no. In fact your return plumbing will likely be quieter with larger plumbing. Unless you go with some gargantuan return pump, the siphons will handle just about anything you can throw at them.

On my system, I plumbed two 1.25" returns over the back. I run a DCT8000 (1600 gph at 100%). With my pump at 100%, my siphons handle all the flow no problem, silently.

Your return pump wont have to work as hard with larger plumbing either (reportedly and issue with DC pumps). I initially setup my system with two 3/4" returns in the "factory" locations in the overflows. The return plumbing was very noisy with a 1200 gpm pump, throttled back or not with ball valves. So were the Dursos. These factors along with the splashing torrent of water in the sump from the drains led me to completely replumb the entire system. I couldn't be happier with it.


Do you have pictures of this set up?
 
Here we go. This is my first attempt at posting pics. Crossing fingers.....
 

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Can the full siphon drain and the dry emergency be at opposite corners of the tank?
Yes, no problem with that. One of my overflow has a 3/4" return and a 1" siphon drain. The other has a 3/4" partial drain and a 1" dry emergency.
if you have just 2 drains and the are different diameters, the siphon will be the SMALLER one. The full siphon can handle much more than a pipe mixed with air.
BTW, congrats on the upgrade!
 
I want to runs a manifold and I have seen many people using a DC pump. Maybe the Jebao or the new Reef Octopus DC pump to ensure plenty of flow.

A return manifold is not a good IMO.
If 2 pumps are sent to the same pipe and one of the pumps fails, water will take the path of the least resistance. This means the good pump will take the short path back to the sump through the bad pump, rather than move against gravity up to the return above the DT.

I have a Jebao DCT-1200 on my 125 that at 60%, and that is more than enough.
 
A return manifold is not a good IMO.
If 2 pumps are sent to the same pipe and one of the pumps fails, water will take the path of the least resistance. This means the good pump will take the short path back to the sump through the bad pump, rather than move against gravity up to the return above the DT.

I have a Jebao DCT-1200 on my 125 that at 60%, and that is more than enough.

Hi thanks for that. Yes I only want to run 1 pump but I want to build a manifold to run reactors etc. I'm looking at the Jebao also.
 
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