Plumbing - True Union Ball Valves vs. Single Union vs. Gate Valve

All good advice, CuzzA. I couldn't agree more.

It might be important to note that even beyond the (hopefully) obvious quality issues, all valves are not created the same. Most, but not all ball valves are full-port valves. That means the passageway through the valve is the same (bore) size as the pipe size it's connected to, which is important if you need to ensure maximum flow. If this is important, be sure to buy a full-port valve of the appropriate size.

With gate valves, there is really no such thing as a full-port valve, although the port sizes can vary considerably, and some valve designs restrict flow at wide open more than others. Because the valve, seat and water passage are more complex, and create more turbulence within the valve body, a gate valve is more prone to become sticky from mineral accumulation, but since they offer more leverage in operating, they are sometimes easier to work free (and also easier to break by using too much force on a stuck valve). In general, think of ball valves as on-off devices, and gate (or other threaded-stem designs) valves as fine throttling devices. Ball valves can of course be used for rough throttling applications, and frequently are.

Here is what I think is the most salient point to make in this whole thread. Several posters in this thread have referred to 'True Union Ball Valves' as if this is some official, accepted plumbing terminology. It is not. There is no such animal, and referring to it as a 'TUBV' still doesn't make it so. Is this some goofy term Savko originated? First of all there is no such thing as a 'true' union. A union is a union. There is no 'false' union. You either have a union or you don't. You can buy valves of almost any design with integral unions at one or both ends. They are almost always much more expensive than the sum of their components. The only reason to ever buy one is if space for the valve and unions is severely limited. If it isn't, you are much better off using separate unions, because on a valve with integral unions, the unions must be replaced with the valve. If you solvent welded the pipe end of the union to your piping and the unions on your new valve are not the same as your original valve, you're going to be cutting and splicing pipe in order to install the new pipe end of the union. Standards are developed for a reason, but they are not always followed, especially with imported components.

Honestly, the most useful purpose for a valve and union is to allow shutoff and disconnection of a device like a pump. In this case, you can probably get by just fine with a ball valve and a single union between the pump and the valve (you'd actually use two such combinations, one in the inflow and one in the outflow sides of the pump). This allows you to shut off the flow, disconnect the union and remove the pump. While the pump is removed, you can work the valve to clear any important debris.

You only need a double union setup with a valve if you expect to need to remove the valve itself... and then, you'll probably need a plan to contain the water in the piping on one or both sides of the valve.

And by all means, as CuzzA pointed out, use threaded fittings for anything that may need to be disassembled. Solvent-welded PVC is great, but when something has to be taken apart, cutting is the only way to do so. Use only Teflon tape for thread sealing. Silicone is not made for this, and you don't want the oils from TFE paste getting into your system water.

As for the Schedule 40 vs Schedule 80 questions, there is no need for Schedule 80 anywhere in any aquarium piping I have ever seen or can imagine. You will never even begin to approach the burst strength of Schedule 40 pipe and fittings (1060 psi for 1-1/2" ips) in this hobby. You won't even begin to approach the maximum operating pressure of 200 psi (1-1/2" ips).
 
The "True Union" terminology goes all the way back to Albert Thiel in the late 80s/early 90s, so don't be too hard on those who were inducted into aquarium plumbing at that time. Like so many other weirdnesses in our hobby it has passed into the myths and lore category. :D

And, yes, I have personally seen a 2" Sch40 PVC ball valve ripped along one side by water pressure on a multi-tank set-up (the Sch40 pipe on either side held fine). Not one of my installations, but I have always taken it as a caution.

Dave.M
 
I have a lot of respect for Albert Thiel, and he definitely is responsible for lots of myths and lore, both good and bad. But I wouldn't trust him to do any plumbing.

Dave, as for the valve you saw blown open, I'm not doubting that you saw this, but what you saw was a defective or damaged valve. Whether it was Schedule 40 or 80 wouldn't have made a difference, because there should be nowhere near enough water pressure anywhere in any aquarium system to burst 2" Schedule 40 pipe and fittings unless the installer did something really stupid that they had no business doing. ASTM standard burst pressure for 2" Sch 40 is around 900 psi (2,078 ft of water). The valve may have had a lower rating, but that would be a manufacturer-specific thing, and the valve would not have met ASTM standards (or any other standard in the plumbing industry). Rather than wasting money on Schedule 80, all that's required is to buy quality Sch 40 pipe and fittings which are marked as meeting ASTM D2466 or an equal standard. Well, a little bit of intelligence and common sense might also be required...
 
That an installation error is probably the most common reason for fittings failing. Wrapping a threaded connector 10 times with Teflon tape and then wrenching it down is sure to burst the fitting.

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That Spears Blue 75 looks like Whitlam Blue Magic. I don't understand that "Teflon when required" for plastic threads. It was my understanding that you never use tape on plastic threads. So I always use Blue Magic because it works great and is food service for humans.

Something nobody has mentioned about true union balls is that they tend to have adjustable seal retainers. If they get too tight you can loosen them up. Too loose and they might leak when closed but most of the time for us closed is just a temporary maintenance thing. And the pump is off so its just a few drops and its inside the pipe where its already wet anyway.

If your true union is adjustable it will have ADJ on one end someplace. You have to take the valve out and turn the retainer with a tool that came with the valve(oh that's what that thing is). Some of them you can replace the seals or even flip them over it they get scored or worn.
 
Something you will definitely run into with threaded connections on large water tanks like people use for their reservoirs and mixing stations is leaks. Those threads are very poorly made and leak like crazy. What you do is wrap the threads well with plumber's teflon tape, then take a daub of aquarium silicone on your finger and smear it around the teflon tape. The silicone won't stick to the teflon but it will bead up and fill the tiny gaps between the threads. This method can be used anywhere on threaded connections on an aquarium to ensure leak-proof connections. Just remember to re-apply the silicone if you should have to disconnect and re-connect the threaded connection.

Dave.M
 
Several posters in this thread have referred to 'True Union Ball Valves' as if this is some official, accepted plumbing terminology. It is not.

I'm not a plumber, so I'll take your word for it as pertains to 'the trade'. True-Union IS as term that many (all?) of the online sellers use to designate a number of their ball valves. Was it 'coined' in the aquarium trade, maybe so. But that's how language works; new terms get invented all the time, and if they're useful, they stick.

BTW, add me to the list of folks who don't use the cheap Sch40 red-handled ball valves sold at big box. A quality true-union ball valve may be more expensive, but cared for it will last a very long time.
 
I doubt the term true union was coined By Albert Thiel. And if its not accepted plumbing terminology we should tell Asahi and Spears and Hayward to stop labeling them that way.
 
I don't think anyone is attributing the label "true union" to Mr. Thiel, but he is certainly the one who introduced it to the reefing community an made it well known. I will stick with my Hayward valves, regardless how they label them, thx.

Dave.M
 
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