polemic

[italianreef]

First, let me apologize for my fellow italian reefkeepers... we do a lot of mess but all we want is to share our experience.

The yank in the pictures above is run by a famous italian aquarist in Rome, Maurizio Manili.
The astonishing growht and color of the corals is mainly due to the method he has elaborated in the last 8 years. Some staghorn acropora branches are 1 inch wide :eek1:
The tank is a modified-Berlin, intensive skimming, plenty of live rocks, bare bottom (a must!), higly illuminated (mainly by 400W Radiums, but with some integration), with high water circulation.
Water parameters are: Ca 500, Mg 1500, KH 14-16, pH 8.2-8.4, nutrients below detection limits (PO4 always below 0.01 ppm).
The high growth rate is due to the careful use of food, amminoacid solutions, and a particular hormone. Color is obtained tru high light intensity, food, and use of some trace elements (I, F)
The tank has very frequent sexual spawning of corals and clams (also corals not older than a few months) and the application of his method led to frequent spawnings also in other tanks.

 

[G-Mur]

Maurizio - Are you using ZeoVit?

Absolutely NO!
I think you never arrive to have a tank like mine if you use the zeovit!
In my system i use a particular product...the Gh-somatropina
ormon!
i'm sure that system will be early the most famous system in the world, and i'm not joking my friend!
To understand...our acroporas grow 40 cm during one year!

 

[mellen]

Thank You Allesandro! Most of us in the States are sleeping now, but I know you will be asked for many more details...so, what is the name of the "certain hormone", for one? Also, please tell us the size or litre capacity of the tank, which brand or custom maker of skimmer, and did I read correctly earlier that someone asked about Zeovit in Italian? I also wish to know what Maurizio thinks about that system?

Again, thank you so very much for translating some things, and no need to apologize for the "messing around" - we are all excited, so, hey, why wouldn't you guys be, too?:rollface: :bum: :smokin:

 

[mellen]

Ah, Thank You, Sir! You and I posted at the same time, with some of the same things in mind, too...

Please - more details, if you will, and I will let others respond. Sorry that this may take a while to do, with the time differences between Italy and the States.

Thank you again for posting here - we are eager to learn!

 

[clown2be]

:eek2: :beer: :eek1: :wavehand: :thumbsup:


WOW!

 

[dattack]

Are we talking about growth hormone/somatropin?

 

[mellen]

yes - I googled it and got Italian refs, then switched to English refs - boatload o' stuff to read! This seems obscure in aquaria per se, not aquaculture though if the titles mean anything on the links...Bye!:strooper:

 

[marcoc]

As italianreef already did, we apologize for the mess we are making and for some posts in Italian. But, as you may understand, we are all very excited with these new discoveries that are widening reef-keeping frontiers.
Yes, you are right dattack, we are talking about Growth Hormone (GH)- somatropin.
Maurizio Manili, just recently made public to the Italian reef community his almost 10-years experience in experimental use of this hormone.
In fact after the initial skepticism by some Italian reefers, many have now started to experiment his conduction method. Some had already started several months ago and are claming exceptional results.
However, the important points in his conduction method are several, not only the GH.
The baseline is the well known Berlin method, (much light, live rocks, bare tank bottom, oversized skimmer, etc.). In particular the water parameters must be absolutely kept around the values mentioned by italianreef!
We are all very happy that Maurizio has decided to share his experience with all the international reefkeeping community.

Marco Castronuovo

 

[Ivane]

complimenti ragazzi

 

[Tom Berry]

Very nice!

G-Mur,

You should post on the sps forum

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=73

That's where the people who would be most interested in your method hang out.

Tom Berry:fish2:

 

[SPStoner]

Acquario molto bello.

 

[Habib]

What are the hazards towards children and adults if that hormone is used in the tank?

I can easily imagine that the hormone can get airborne as an aerosol and the aquarist has to put his hands in the tank.

 

[llpoolej]

Beautiful and amazing tank! Your daughter is adorable too!

 

[Redbulls]

Cosi esageri!!!La nostra provocazione era rivolta agli autori di libri e solo indirettamente alle vasche americane;-) Se puoi rimuovi il messaggio;-)

Nun ze po kanzella dopo 60 min
It's true :mixed:

 

[Habib]

Cosi esageri!!!La nostra provocazione era rivolta agli autori di libri e solo indirettamente alle vasche americane;-) Se puoi rimuovi il messaggio;-)

G-Mur:

I'm sure there is interest on ReefCentral in discussing your methods. I assume you want that and you want to show as a proud and knowledgable aquarist how and what you have accomplished.

In my opinion provocating some authors and indirectly the American aquarists , as you seem to be saying (using a translator), is not the right way to accomplish that.

 

[grasshopper]

What are the dosing amounts of the Growth Hormone (GH)- somatropin. After a quick search for this hormone it appears to be VERY expensive in the US. The one place I saw wants $4350 for a six month human supply. I would assume that the human supply is much greater than the aquaria supply. If anyone could give me dosing instructions, I'd like to buy some and try it for a while. Metric dosing instructions are fine.

Also, does it affect LPS and softie growth or only SPS (I'm guessing all corals are affected) - and what about fish?

In exchange for these things, I'm more than willing to convince the US soccer team to allow Italy to beat them in the next World Cup match they play together.

 

[pi]

Water parameters are: Ca 500, Mg 1500, KH 14-16, pH 8.2-8.4

WOW! Those are high! I can see why you would not want a DSB in that tank. With Ca and alk that high, I do not see why you would need growth hormones.... Not to mention, the slightest change could lead to a large snowstorm.

 

[grim]

Yea, definately need more information on how the Somatropin is administered and in what quantities it is administered in. I can't see it being very long lasting in the water column, or possibly even absorbable across tissue, which makes me think it may need to be dosed in food, which presents other issues..

Also, please, be aware it is illegal to posses HGH-Somatropin in the U.S. without a prescription.

jb

 

[grasshopper]

grim good point about the illegal aspect. However, much like the cure for red acro bugs, I'm sure certain doctors will administer prescriptions for the drug if we are upfront about it's use.

(Hmmm I wonder if my prescription plan will cover it?)

And, I read that it caused Creutzfeld-Jacob disease in the people that were administering it, but that was the original non-synthetic version. Is the synthetic version different?

And lastly - when the Italians get back on some dosing measurements would be GREATLY apprecited.

Thanks,
GH

 

[Bomber]

What are the hazards towards children and adults if that hormone is used in the tank?

I can easily imagine that the hormone can get airborne as an aerosol and the aquarist has to put his hands in the tank.

Very small Hab. This HGH is too unstable to be dosed like they are saying in marine environments.