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The abuse potential of Soma is very high, I don't think any veterinarian will prescribe it regardless of how you plan to use it. GH abuse is currently very widespread in bodybuilding circles. It would be the equivalent of walking into a veterinary practice and saying you'd like some injectable anabolic steroids for your 'horse'. While this whole topic is very interesting if they are really using somatropin, the reality is we'd never be able to do it legally here. This is a highly abused drug that is in alot of demand now that commands a very high street price. Here is another example, imagine trying to explain to the police that the cocaine is for your fish tank. 
Either way, we need some more information. Let the cat out of the bag already Italia, we need the info.
jb
Either way, we need some more information. Let the cat out of the bag already Italia, we need the info.
jb
You are right about dosing and other equipments, but I am afraid that Maurizio is the one who has to disclose his method completely.
Unfortunately I believe that he is busy now, showing his tank to some aquarists who have come to Rome from other places of Italy to partecipate to our Forum dinner tonight.
Be patient. You will get more later.
Marco
Unfortunately I believe that he is busy now, showing his tank to some aquarists who have come to Rome from other places of Italy to partecipate to our Forum dinner tonight.
Be patient. You will get more later.
Marco
grasshopper
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Well, I couldn't see them buying the whole cocaine thing, however growing Mary Jane in the fuge for nutirent export in the place of mangroves MAY just fly.... (And produce some SALTY brownies
)I see your point about the illegality, but it certainly would be worth a try. Also, the pharmacy can, and sometimes does, track the usage of drugs such as legal use of GH and black market hot drugs like Oxycontin. I'm assuming the dose of GH for tanks is much smaller than the dose for human bodybuilding use. This being the case there is a VERY slight possibility that a doctor or vet. could prescribe it and track the refill rate. I hope this makes sense, since I'll use it for my argument when I go to the doctor's office and ask for the prescription.
I will ba patient for a response from Rome, and once I have some dosing measurments, I don't think it would hurt to approach the medical field. The worst they could do is say no and contact the police. (It wouldn't be the first time the police were notified about me and drugs
)gh (I'm switching to a gh instead of GH due to the introduction of Growth Hormones
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grasshopper
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If it's illegal than wht's up with this post from a similar thread in the SPS Keeper's forum?
Mind you - not arguing, just questioning...
Mind you - not arguing, just questioning...
grasshopper said:
If this is being dosed into the water column, the larger the volume of water in the tank, the higher the dosage required to achieve a sufficient effective concentration.. Who knows what that effective concentration would be.. Also, I can see this compound degrading very quickly (or being skimmed out quickly, it is a protein after all).. My assumption is the required dosages would be high given average volumes and what the effective dosage would be if dosed into the water column directly.. It would also be a very wasteful way to administer such an expensive drug.
I've gotten an Rx for Chloramphenicol from the vet to treat RTN, he did require, however, a copy of the protocol I was going to use to treat it to keep on file.
jb
grasshopper
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Marco - thanks for the clarification
jb - Although I really injoy the semi-debate we're having, I think we should now wait for Maurizio to share the suggested dosing req.s This will give us a better basis for the doctor involvment.
It is a good sign that you could get Chlo.... for your tank. Maybe we'll all go to your vet.
jb - Although I really injoy the semi-debate we're having, I think we should now wait for Maurizio to share the suggested dosing req.s This will give us a better basis for the doctor involvment.
It is a good sign that you could get Chlo.... for your tank. Maybe we'll all go to your vet.
fishcraze2002
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It won't be wasteful or that expensive if you can use that drug to boost the growth rate of expensive corals like blue torts, purple monster, etc..
how was the results of using Chloramphenicol on RTN problems? Is there a thread on RC that discussed about using this drug to stop RTN in sps?
Vili_Shark
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Probably TOTY-tank of the year.
GH?
Dude, that explain why ya dont have almost any fish in there, imagine these fish after few months getting GH, they gonna look like Arnold.
How can ya get GH anywhere ya want? I mean, this stuff is expensive and illegal, is it like left overs from the Seria A soccer players? it's known they're all doppers .
How can ya get this stuff?????
How about details of skimmer and Ca reactor for this amazing tank?
GH?
Dude, that explain why ya dont have almost any fish in there, imagine these fish after few months getting GH, they gonna look like Arnold.
How can ya get GH anywhere ya want? I mean, this stuff is expensive and illegal, is it like left overs from the Seria A soccer players? it's known they're all doppers .
How can ya get this stuff?????
How about details of skimmer and Ca reactor for this amazing tank?
Boosting the growth of corals like PM for the purposes of sale will only serve to destroy the market and drop prices to the bare minimum the market will support.. Good ol' supply and demand. Almost like making a synthetic diamond that is indistinguishable from the real one... Man, I can see it now, accusations of selling "doped" corals, frag dealers claiming to be "drug-free" and "all-natural".. Oh boy, what a can of worms this would open if it turned out to be true.
jb
jb
maxpower2112
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grim, so what if the prices drop, this should be more of a hobby then a buissness anyway! i for one dont feel like paying $60 for a tiny frag of a blue tort. this would make these corals easier to get and would cost as much as other "not rare" corals.
grasshopper
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MP2112, although I agree that it would be nice to pay little to nothing for nice corals, and also that I know little or nothing about economics.......
It's basic economics that grim is talking about. You drive the cost of corals down and eventually more and more lfs and online corals stores will go out of business. Eventually two major things could happen -
1) there no lfs that can afford to import new wild colonies so eventually everyone has the same corals.
2) the "steroid" corals have some sort of illness. Not knowing THAT much about corals, basic sense tells me that increased unnatrual coral growth has to be unhealthy. That's why Arnold S. had heart problems. Among other things - steroids creat havoc on the human internal organs. I'd imagine that in time corals would also be found to have some negative response to steroids.
It's basic economics that grim is talking about. You drive the cost of corals down and eventually more and more lfs and online corals stores will go out of business. Eventually two major things could happen -
1) there no lfs that can afford to import new wild colonies so eventually everyone has the same corals.
2) the "steroid" corals have some sort of illness. Not knowing THAT much about corals, basic sense tells me that increased unnatrual coral growth has to be unhealthy. That's why Arnold S. had heart problems. Among other things - steroids creat havoc on the human internal organs. I'd imagine that in time corals would also be found to have some negative response to steroids.
maxpower2112
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i see, but that guy used this stuff for 10 years and no noticble negative efeects from this stuff.
im not saying that the corals will cost nothing, but as much as the less sought after corals. in all fairness, most lfs's deserve to go out of buissness due to all the livestock that dies due to their lack of knowledge/greedyness. im not sure how it is in other places but it takes me a minimum of a 50min drive to the nearest decent lfs.
sorry to get off topic
im not saying that the corals will cost nothing, but as much as the less sought after corals. in all fairness, most lfs's deserve to go out of buissness due to all the livestock that dies due to their lack of knowledge/greedyness. im not sure how it is in other places but it takes me a minimum of a 50min drive to the nearest decent lfs.
sorry to get off topic
grasshopper
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I agree that many LFS do deserve to go out of business. I feel the biggest problem is that the one's that would go out of business are the good ones. They have to price corals at a premium in order to pay for keeing everything healthy and alive. The only other alternative is for us to frag and grow out colonies which we can trade with LFS for things like salt and other fairly fixed cost items.
As far as the GH affecting health - as I said, I don't know enough to do anything but make an educated guess. In many cases 10 years isn't enough in human terminology, now consider that coral colonies can live many times longer than humans so effects on them could also be delayed. Pretty much just food for thought.
gh
As far as the GH affecting health - as I said, I don't know enough to do anything but make an educated guess. In many cases 10 years isn't enough in human terminology, now consider that coral colonies can live many times longer than humans so effects on them could also be delayed. Pretty much just food for thought.
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