polemic

[grim]

What about growth hormone receptor down-regulation? It would basically create a fantastic coral that wouldn't be able to grow naturally in any environment that didn't have an abnormally high growth hormone concentration, or grow at all after a certain amount of time in that environment.. I am no biologist at all, so don't think what I say means anything..

jb

 

[grasshopper]

I am soooooo glad I get Advil cheap.....

 

[Vili_Shark]

Grasshoper,
You are refering steroids all the time, while there is a big difference between steroids and GH, pro body builders are taking steroids in conjuction with GH.

You're right it does'nt sound good cause of all the bad rep that dopping got in sports, but this aint sports.

 

[grasshopper]

Vili_Shark, thank you for correcting me. I was always under the impression that a steroid was a growth hormone. Isn't a steroid (let's take a common body building steroid for example) just a synthetic (and in some cases non-synthetic) horse hormone? Anabolic steroids (I always thought) were horse growth hormones that were originally extracted from a horse and given to a human in order to grow muscle at high rates with lower nutrients.

Growth hormones in humans are most prevelant during the mid teens to early twenties when most people grow. Then after those years the production of the growth hormone declines. In these situations, synthetic HGH has been administered to help grow muscles faster/better.

In both of these situations, we're dealing with hormones being given to something to create an excess. When a human is given an excess amount of HGH or any amount of horse hormones it creates damage on the internal muscles and other organs. I am making the generalize semi-educated guess that doing the same thing to corals increses the abilities to damage something in the organism.

It has nothing to do with sports, it has to do with the health of what we care for.

Do you have any information that I could research to help me understand the differences between steroids and GHs?

Thanks,
gh

(edit to change GH in the sig. to gh - I hate this.....)

 

[tenkan]

Hi all,

The use of Somatropina is not formally illegal, it's simply regulated by the local laws.

I think it's wise to focus this thread on the discussion of the method, rather than cheating about legal or illegal stuff.

Let's talk about the methodology, as soon as the author is back.
It's not only about GH, it's a mix of many techniques, as somedoby already said. Lightining, skimming, and so on.

There's so much to talk about, don't fall in the "polemic" side of the thread.......... or do it in a different one ;-)

hungry to read more
tenkan

 

[Vili_Shark]

No, all the info I got is from Flex and they like it there.
I also got some friends who are using it.
but they use GH (if they got the money and luck to get it) with steroids which are easy to get and are not hormones.

Can get ya more info about that from them if ya really wanna.

About corals and GH, Habib said something about it might be dangerous, besides this, the Italian guy claims he is using this method for 10 years which is a LONG time.
I know reefs in nature lives hundereds of times more, but, look at the SPS veterans thread in SPS keepers on RC, and ya'll see that 10 years in the hobby is alot of time.

What can I say, tank looks fine to me : )

 

[Foster]

I would be very interested to see the behind the scenes pics of the sump, skimmer(s) electrical, etc and any other bells and whistles that have contributed to such a long lasting successful reef!

 

[grasshopper]

steroids which ... are not hormones

Interesting statement - I have to say I disagree.

10 years in the hobby is alot of time

I agree, but I think we should keep in mind hobbyists that may come along after us. We don't want to be passing down generations of GH-mutated corals...

What can I say, tank looks fine to me : )

I totally agree, which is why I want to learn how to do this legally, safely, and correct - without endangering the hobby.

And, Tenkan - I agree, and am sorry for getting so off topic. If the conversation continues, I'll do my best to start a new thread.

Let's wait for the rest of the methodology and we can all discuss furthur.

Just one thing Tenkan, why shouldn't we

fall in the "polemic" side of the thread

if the threads name is "polemic"?

 

[L98-Z]

steroids which are easy to get and are not hormones.

Steroid is a hormone. Hell, birth control is a hormone. It also depends what steroid you are talking about... not that this has much to do with this argument....

Also, are we talking about Human Growth Hormone here?

 

[Reaper]

Thats an amazing tank! Kudos to Maurizio.

This hobby always amazes me. First alcohol and now illegal drugs?

SPS are hedonistic little devils :lol:

 

[boris MAC]

This hobby always amazes me. First alcohol and now illegal drugs?

I will try tobacos....maybe Marllboro....laughing on the side , avesome tank, but I never like the bodybilders figures

 

[crescent1]

mama mia, whata nisa tanka.

 

[Julio]

WOW!!!!GROGEOUS TANK

 

[ejocam]

Very Nice:eek2:

 

[rosario]

:rollface:

 

[bluereefs]

Ciao Donatello:wavehand:
Forza Italia:thumbsup:
How the colospongia react to somatropin?I already have too much of her without somatropin

 

[Abominable Reefer]

Looks like in the future the real challenge will be to grow corals without using gh. Kind of takes the fun out of the hobby don't you think? Unless you're just into bragging rights or having something pretty to look at.

 

[L98-Z]

Looks like in the future the real challenge will be to grow corals without using gh. Kind of takes the fun out of the hobby don't you think? Unless you're just into bragging rights or having something pretty to look at.

I'd have to disagree there. If it was easy for me to get, it worked, and didn't really have any negative side effects, I can't see the harm in it. Of course, it's extremly expensive and illegal, so that would knock me out instantly. I don't see the harm in it.

 

[mellen]

Human growth hormone is expensive. I have no idea how much the various animal growth hormones are, but from my Google oddesy a day ago, it seems to be very commonly used by agribusiness to increase milk production, beef production, etc., so I'm guessing it's affordable and Mauizio has found a way to encapsulate it or to gut load zooplankton with it that he is feeding to his corals.

 

[rosario]

OTHER PHOTO, FROM THE ITALIAN TANK: