Potter's Angel Help

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jmc1024

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Hello all,
Looking for some thoughts regarding my potter's angel. I've had him for about 6 weeks. I did a 4 week qt (2 weeks with prazi), didn't do any copper. No signs of ick, velvet etc. Put him in my DT about 2 weeks ago. He's been grazing on algae but having trouble with food that's added to tank. He sticks close to the powerhead. He really likes swimming against the current. I'm wondering if he needs to get extra o2 in his gills, or if he just likes it? HE's NOT scratching against any rocks or doesn't have any signs of parasites. What really worries me is that when I shut the powerhead off he lays in the sand and seems in distress. He also doesn't really leave the power head. All of the chem in my tank is in good shape, other fish doing very well.

Thanks,
Jay
 
Doesn't sound good...but Potters angels are not a good choice for aquariums, slim chance of survival even when they seem to be doing good for weeks/months.
 
The other thing is that I've had the fish almost 40 days now, wouldn't velvet have already killed him by now??
 
Velvet would have shown symptoms by now. I would be more concerned with prazi resistant flukes. Is it possible to catch him for a FW dip?
 
With some hard work it's possible. I tried quickly but couldn't get him. However I did do two doses of prazi while he was in qt. Would that have taken care of any flukes?
 
I know, but I think if it were velvet he would have been a goner by now. He's been with me for over 40 days and has been exhibiting this behavior in my display tank for about 10 days. I think that velvet would move quicker than that but I could be wrong. Also he's not scratching at all just playing under the wave maker. I'm wondering if he just like the motion of the wave maker and gets street when I turn it off.
 
Sounds like velvet or flukes. Due to the time you have had the fish and the fact you didn't use copper or a similar product in QT I would of expected the fish to have died many weeks ago if it was in fact velvet. Flukes can take many weeks to get to the point of killing fish. I would remove and formalin or FW dip to confirm flukes or not.
 
Salinity and temp play a roll in the timing of the prazi treatment. If your qt has been up and running for 3+ months it would be a good idea to break it down sterilize it and restart it this kills the bacteria that breaks down prazipro. Hikari states prazi is active for 72 hrs in the water but I'm starting to think that a qt that has been exposed to prazi several times has enough of this bacteria to lessen the effectiveness of prazi to 48 or even 24 hrs which allows the fluke eggs to hatch just after treatment and the prazi not be in thereputic levels. Which people then label the flukes as prazi resistant. Also I'm not 100% sure the strain of flukes that primarily attach to the mouth gills and throat are going to show up in a fw dip, the strains that attach to the body eyes head fins ect should show up in a fw dip the only exception is if the fluke had attached under the scales it would be uneffected by a fw dip. So with all this in mind I would still recommend a fw dip then return the angel to a sterile qt if the flukes were in the gills I would expect to see the fish start scratching then dose prazi on day 6 redose. If the qt is not sterile when you add the fish back dosing on day 1 and 6 I believe will be the most effective
 
Dmorty217 said:
If you call Hikari and talk to support they will tell you praziquantel is really only active for 24 hrs. This site will help you decide when to dose prazi http://www.marineparasites.com/paratreatmentcal.html
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Have you contacted Hikari and they told you 24 hrs ? I'm curious because they told others 72 hrs and also told me do not redose sooner than 72 because this can cause basically a concentration greater than 2.5 mg/l. Also + 1 on the dosing link you provided its a good tool
 
Jdub968 said:
Have you contacted Hikari and they told you 24 hrs ? I'm curious because they told others 72 hrs and also told me do not redose sooner than 72 because this can cause basically a concentration greater than 2.5 mg/l. Also + 1 on the dosing link you provided its a good tool
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The guy I spoke with told me 24-36 hrs the ingredient is inactive. He originally told me 72 but after pushing him and explaining the medication wasn't working on the flukes I had he told me 24-36 hrs. I personally have dosed PP at 2xs the recommended amount and everything was fine. Low O2 levels are what kill the fish, not the medication itself.
 
thanks for everyones replies. So from what I'm hearing you all seem to think it could be flukes even though I dosed with prazi 2x? My qt was set up for about a month and a half before using it. I"m a little hesitant to but the potters in a sterile qt as much of his diet is algae. I am considering trying to catch him and do a fresh water dip. Also I did do a fw dip while he was in qt.
 
jmc1024 said:
thanks for everyones replies. So from what I'm hearing you all seem to think it could be flukes even though I dosed with prazi 2x? My qt was set up for about a month and a half before using it. I"m a little hesitant to but the potters in a sterile qt as much of his diet is algae. I am considering trying to catch him and do a fresh water dip. Also I did do a fw dip while he was in qt.[/QUOTE
I think it's always a good starting point If prazi is only effective for 24-36 hrs you would have to be spot on for the second dose otherwise eggs will make it past the treatment effectiveness. On a worse case scenario you will have to fw dip treat with dose one and on day six redose. Eggs hatch 5 days after being laid and the flukes mature in 10 days and start laying eggs again.
If there's any questions as to weather the treatment worked you can dose a third time
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Not looking too good, got him out of DT, did fresh water dip. Then did formalin bath. Survived both but looks to be in bad shape. Would be surprised if he survived the day. Just laying on the bottom. Thanks for everyones help though.
 
Don't give up on him sometimes after a harsh bath that is normal for them to lay down on the bottom I've had fish do it to me and 12 hrs later they bounce back just make sure he has water moving over him or you can try to hold h upright and move him through the water to help get water movement over his gills
 
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