Powder blue with ich or velvet?!

[juanmanuelsanch]

hi all ! Maybe Im being paranoid but I want to be sure that I dont have an infected system.

Well first of all let me say this, all fish go through quarantine. In this case it was cupramine, prazipro and furan 2.

The fish have been in the DT for over 2 months now, showing no signs of illness. The system is almost a year old, all params are in check.

I did introduce some corals and a clam without quarantine, but the system they came from has no fish in it, and usually in the dipping there is nothing nasty coming out of it... I know there is a risk.

The thing is that I saw the powder blue going in front of the wavemaker, usually an indication of velvet. And I already had velver when I was a beginner, so I had to do fallow time, etc, etc.

I cant see any spots in the body or dusting or anything. All fish are showing no signs of stress.

I did see the powder scratch but once in almost an hour of observation.

Here is a link to a video and some pics, I hope you guys can help me. I also included the blue tang since they are also prone to this diseases

THanks !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKklTAJXno

 

[Mishri]

what do you know about the corals and clams other than they came from a tank without fish?

How long were they in the tank without fish? if over 90 days.. probably fine.

Any risk that any water from a tank with fish got into that tank? if the owner has other tanks, there is water spray, using the same cleaning equipment on both tanks.. etc..

Any water can transport the stage after ich falls off the fish it swims for awhile, up to 18 hours to find a spot to go into its reproductive stage.. that is where it might find a piece of sand, rock, clam shell, coral plug, coral skeleton to latch onto and reproduce.. and then over 2 months later it will hatch infecting your system. -Dipping the corals will not affect the ich... it will still reproduce and release normally. Killing ich at that stage requires it becomes completely dry, or soaked in freshwater for an hour.. both of which would kill the coral/clam too...


So. It's possible you have ich yes. The question is when do you want to do something about that? Wait and see if the fish develop immunity and resistance to it and can survive it? Wait till you see spots? Ich isn't fast killing so you can have sometime as long as you have a hospital tank prepared. Up to you how quickly you want to act. Or maybe it's nothing and the fish just scratched an itch, and PBT like to swim and might just like swimming against the current.

 

[juanmanuelsanch]

what do you know about the corals and clams other than they came from a tank without fish?

How long were they in the tank without fish? if over 90 days.. probably fine.

Any risk that any water from a tank with fish got into that tank? if the owner has other tanks, there is water spray, using the same cleaning equipment on both tanks.. etc..

Any water can transport the stage after ich falls off the fish it swims for awhile, up to 18 hours to find a spot to go into its reproductive stage.. that is where it might find a piece of sand, rock, clam shell, coral plug, coral skeleton to latch onto and reproduce.. and then over 2 months later it will hatch infecting your system. -Dipping the corals will not affect the ich... it will still reproduce and release normally. Killing ich at that stage requires it becomes completely dry, or soaked in freshwater for an hour.. both of which would kill the coral/clam too...


So. It's possible you have ich yes. The question is when do you want to do something about that? Wait and see if the fish develop immunity and resistance to it and can survive it? Wait till you see spots? Ich isn't fast killing so you can have sometime as long as you have a hospital tank prepared. Up to you how quickly you want to act. Or maybe it's nothing and the fish just scratched an itch, and PBT like to swim and might just like swimming against the current.

The clams and corals came from LFS, it just that in that tank, they dont have fish in it. I dont know for how long. And yes its a risk...

I will setup a QT tank for invertebrates from now on. Im just looking for a cheap plastic tank.

The problem with waiting for inmmunity is that its a ticking bomb. The tank will always be infected and just waiting for an outbreak.

I do have a QT tank that can be used if the fish can be catched. ATM that seems imposible.

I was thinking about using this in the DT. I already have the product

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2076318

But I want to be sure my fish has something and not just me being paranoid. The other fish seems fine for now.

 

[ca1ore]

Just because a fish swims in the powerhead flow doesn't mean you've got a disease problem. If you do, symptoms will present shortly enough.

 

[juanmanuelsanch]

True, but it was not behaving like that, so change its always something I try to keep my eye on. I saw my powder brown tang die from velvet and that was one of the symptoms. Again, its probably me being paranoid. But I will keep and eye and post in case in necessary.

DO you guys can see anything from the pics or video that might be suspicious?

 

[Tripod1404]

Powder blue with ich or velvet?!

Seems healthy to me based on the pictures. Keep in mind fish can develop new behaviors over time. Swimming against power head might be something he just started to enjoy or discovered. PB blue tang love high flow anyways.

Do you have any cleaner shrimps. Although they cannot help with ich or velvet, fish with these parasites show unusually high interest to cleaners. I guess their skin itches and cleaners relieve that although they don't help the underlying condition.


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[Mishri]

Yep, coming from a LFS very possible water transfer into the coral tank, or not being there for 90 days you might have ich.

I personally would wait till I see spots, or worse behavior, such as rubbing on things(glancing) before doing anything too big.

 

[lagatbezan]

Just because a fish swims in the powerhead flow doesn't mean you've got a disease problem. If you do, symptoms will present shortly enough.

I agree with this as well. My power Blue does the same thing, swims all over the place and then just stop right in front of the return for a few sec and then starts swimming again. I think they enjoy the rich oxygenated flow so make sure you have good aeration.
I'm not an expert but I would observe it closely and have the qt ready just in case its needed.

 

[juanmanuelsanch]

Well I saw it rubbing the other day, but its not a constant. I think there is a hijacker that attach to it, like a parasite or something. I saw the blue tang with some marks too.

I hope its not ich.

How much could it take to see an outbreak?

 

[Mishri]

can take a few months... especially if they are really healthy you might only see spots once in awhile(they'll be in the gills so you wont see them). sometimes it's only a couple of days after you see the first symptoms you'll see spots everywhere..

that's why some people choose to live with ich, because fish can live with it in the system. but sometimes you'll get some bad outbreaks that kill all/most fish - you will see the white spots before they die for sure. usually you have weeks.. i had one where my fish freaked out and rammed into everything in the tank and pretty much killed himself though.. was quite odd.. other fish lived through it fine.

 

[juanmanuelsanch]

well Im today Im able to see spots, which means there is ich in my tank despite all my preventive measures.

I got:
New Life Spectrum Ick Shield 1mm Sinking Pet Food, 125gm

And
Levamisole soluble drench made by prohibit

Will try the food first, if that dosent work I will go the other route.

 

[scooter31707]

well Im today Im able to see spots, which means there is ich in my tank despite all my preventive measures.

I got:
New Life Spectrum Ick Shield 1mm Sinking Pet Food, 125gm

And
Levamisole soluble drench made by prohibit

Will try the food first, if that dosent work I will go the other route.

This won't cure it, IMO. You have to take all fish out and let the DT go fallow for 72 to 90 days. Some experts say 72 and some say 90. Best treatment would be TTM if it is ich and CP for velvet.